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New HT in Sun City, Ca

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  1. DFurr

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    After moving from Atlanta, Ga to Sun City, Ca our home screening room is 99% complete.
    It was built on the same design as our other HT except with much higher ceilings, larger projection booth and new JBL surround speakers.
    Projection consist of a Kinoton PK-60D 35mm projector, Epson 5010 digital projector ceiling mounted above the projection port window in the rear, Dolby CP650 digital processor, QSC/Smart power amps with all JBL Pro Cinema speakers. I've added a second JBL 18" sub to this install as well. Blu Ray player is an Oppo BD-103.
    The screen is a Harkness Silver 3D version 11' X 5', mini-perf. This type screen is required for polarized 3D film viewing.
    We have a concession area as well consisting of a restored 1950 Manley theatre size popcorn machine and a theatre style hot dog steamer.
     

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    Yeah very nice. I like the way you placed the rollers on the ceiling with spools on the wall. Any chance of a cake platter x3 placed near to PK60D is that the digital sound on the top of the projector.

    I guess you can wash the films to keep them clean. :D

    What voltage are you using for the lamp house any xenon or are you using a different lamp since its small home cinema. Water cooling for the lamp house.

    Any more pictures of the projector looking at the port window.

    How many seats any more pictures.

    What JBL behind the screen single 15" or duel 15" with horns. How many 8330.

    Have you had any snags with CP650 on digital SR-D has it got the EX fitted on the 650.

    What films have you got on 35mm.
     
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    And people think spending 25k is excessive...The most expensive, to date, home theatre I've (had a partial hand in) designed...$2,450,000Chicago home of roughly 14,000sf around Bolingbrook, IL valued at $37,000,000.5 rows of 5 seats. All leather, custom designed, shipped from Italy. All seats have heat, cool, massage and active ventilation. (This was $500,000 by itself)The floor is heated(but the majority of the rest of the home has heated floors. De rigueur for homes in Chicago.)The projection is Christie.Audio side is refurbished VOT, done by Bag End of Chicago. CIH screen done with Screen Research. Exact same screen used at Cannes in 2009, before Cannes upgraded. Shipped with the seats.I, along with the homeowner, installers and a few of the sales people were on hand for "shake out day".I designed the overall layout(cause you know, I design audio first) with the main seat(middle of row 2) exact center. Automation was my design. I also came up with the electric flooring to handle the heat, enough power for each seat and the track lighting. All the stuff video and audio people hate doing.
     
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    You can get 35mm next to nothing on ebay now if you keep your eyes peeled. I was offered one for £250.00 a few years ago, but I knew it would be hassle to fit in the kitchen with another port hole in the wall. Most projectors pulled from cinemas go in storage awaiting want? To go to the skip or sold for cheap to go, to a good home.
     
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    You aren't getting a Kinoton for £250.
     
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    I didn't say it was Kinoton. I said I was offered 35mm for £250.00 could have been a Kinoton. The guy had few of them and cake platters and rollers and lamp house that can run on 240v lots of cheap flat and anamorphic lenses for £25.00. I shoukd have brought the scope lenses and stripped them down for the anamorphic optic to make diy anamorphic for the video projector.
     
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    Hi andysu....lots of questions, all valid. Let me see if I can shed some light.

    I actually had a Christie AW3 here when we first moved out to SoCal but it took up too much room so I sold it to a local film collector in the LA area.

    No, that's not a digital reader on top. It's a Kelmar Film Cleaner. The digital reader on this Kinoton is in the basement.

    The lamphouse is a Strong Super LumeX, theatre style using a 2,000 watt xenon bulb. The power supply is also a Strong which uses 220 volt single phase current.

    More pictures coming as I finish the project.

    I have a total of 6 nice seats in the screening room. Plenty of room for an additional 6 seats if needed.

    Behind the screen there are 3 JBL 3678's with single horns and 2 JBL 4645C 18" subs. There are a total of 4 JBL 8330 surrounds.

    No problems with my CP650 as of yet and no, I don't do EX in my theatre.

    I have an across the board collection of film but I don't list the titles on a public board. ;)

    Hope I've answered your questions.
     
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    So, Don, is the projector running the red LED for analogue. Don't want to list titles well guess you don't want bluray guys rushing around. :lol:

    Is that the 8330 mkI or mkII models you have as I have x4 myself and x4 more to fit this month.

    I have only heard non-sync music being played over the 3678 at boothless cinema at Empire London. They sounded okay with tiny horn on the box and bass mid was nice I could almost smell the cleanness of it. :)

    I have heard/felt the 4645C at Empire 1, London they pack a punch. I have single 4645 size in my home THX cinema.

    Any chances you might buy SDDS if any of your 35mm prints have SDDS8ch out of the rough 200 released since '93 to 2007. plenty D2000 with the odd D3000 on ebay now and then for $125.00 or less? got my SDDS D3000 for £64.00.

    You might want to get some more 8330 as there are some on ebayUSA going cheaply.
     
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    Several more pics from Sun City, Ca.

    The speech rack containing all the processing, monitor, amps and OPPO player. A pic of the Epson BD-103 hanging at the back wall and a pic of behind the screen with the left, center and right channel JBL's.
     

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    Wha? You have an actual 35mm projector? I've never known anyone in the home theater world to install one! What prints do you have? Where would one acquire more?
     
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    Hi Brian. Actually there are quite a few homes with 35mm setups around the world....more than you would believe. Since the digital takeover in commercial move theatres, 35mm equipment is almost worthless. There is plenty of used projectors, platters, etc. available at ridiculous low prices. I can help you with that if you're interested. 35mm prints are sold on Ebay everyday although I've been collecting for 30 years. As for the titles, I never list those on a public forum.
     
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    Brian, its not cheap to run. xenon lamps are not cheap.


    There is the film itself you need a store room for it. Climate Controlled all year around and up goes the costs of electricity bill for the all year around.


    I recommend cake platter as its lot easier than messing around with reel changes every 20 mins unless you like the extra cost of two matched projectors and doing reel change overs at ever 20mins then getting the A projector cleaned and laced up. Cake patter makes life easier with three cake platter to put 2 films on the platter where one is wound off the next one can be laced up soon after, projector all-sprockets film gate sound head and lens cleaned. Plus you need training on it.


    You have the loop correct size between the intermittent sprocket or your mess the film up. racking in the film gate has to be correct. I can generally remember all this from my days as projectionist.


    Oh, and the cake platter film has to go though lots of rollers and up and down rollers on the platter that slide up and down to where the film has to be wound off to back on, that is an art to thread up and if, you cock it up the film will get messed up. It can take days of leaning this. And you can't afford to mess it up.


    The feeder on the platter needs to be moved form one platter to the next and the halo as well.


    You'd need make up bench as well.


    If you have damaged film, you have to cut it out. You can't let damaged perforations go though the projector or you'll risk it getting jammed up in the film gate or around one of the take off sprockets. You should see the mess it makes when layers of film is folded over and over. If you got your fingers between the it will take them off.


    Also the lamp house you can't mess around with xenon lamps there under pressure and can explode in your face, scare and blind you. You need safety gear when changing a xenon and never open the lamp house when its running as the change in temepture can cause it to possible explode in your face.


    I recall when I was with UCI one of xenon lamps in one of the smaller screens a few us gather in the booth and the mess inside the lamp house looked like a whole bag of sugar was poured out. The film had to be cancelled with refund, it took over an hour to clean out with dustpan and bush then use vacuum cleaner for the fine fragments around the inside edges.


    Found a video that shows the mess.





    Not to mention lots of HIGH Lethal voltage running though it.


    I noticed no safety gear worn around the body and arms. Only face guard worn is not enough if that goes KABOOM you'll get glass in your arms blooded.


    Look what happened to this idiot got all messed up.





    You need to keep the projector clean at all times and maintained otherwise it will break-down on you. And finding the spare parts some might not want sell those parts cheaply.


    Lens can cost a bit as some do show up cheaply least a few years ago for £25.00 pounds but mostly there around $200 upwards.


    You'd need a thick wall and port window with projector behind it as they are LOUD with SPL around 90db. when standing next to one with film passing though the film gate and intermittent sprocket.


    You'd be safer as houses with DVD and bluray as that won't explode in your face.


    Oh and the brainwrap is work of art. I seen one in my days at UCI what a mess it makes.


     
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    Everything looks great. Really nice.


    Looking forward to seeing more pictures...especially of the theater room itself, when you are able.


    Thanks for sharing! :thumbs-up-smiley:
     
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    Andy: I would suspect someone with 30 years experience in collecting 35mm film and a Xenon lamp projector probably knows the risks involved...
     
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    Mike, No post was for Brian, as he likes to think he wants to get one. Too many things to learn before threading and lacing up film. Lots of safety guidelines. I learned this 25 years ago.
     
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    Gotcha. Nevermind, then. :D


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    Mike, if you have no respect for 35mm.


    The booth floor needs to be spotless clean every day. It needs to be laminated or tiled so it can vacuumed cleaned and moped and dried so its spotless of dust dirt and hairs so it doesn't get stuck to the film and ends on projector. Never drag film across the floor when threading the platter. You can't expect to learn all this in few days. Takes months of training.
     
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    Actually andySu it's not as big of a hassle as you make it out to be. We don't do hard floors any longer. We do carpet. As long as the film never touches the floor, the projector is kept clean and the film is handled with care there's no problem with dirty film. There is a lot of difference with a commercial theatre projection booth and a collector like myself who might run film once or twice a week and only on six thousand foot reels. There are commercial theatres (before digital) who kept film in beautiful condition after weeks and weeks of running the same print. But, point is anyone can learn. You just need the right teacher :) In all the years I've been handling Xenon bulbs, I've had one explosion. If you handle the bulb with the proper care and follow safety guidelines you won't have a problem. Bottom line is collecting and projecting film is much more involved and expensive than showing a Blu Ray on a home digital projector. Film is FUN. Blu Ray is NOT fun. I'm showing a lot more Blu Ray than film because of cost first, storage issues secondly and a cleaner presentation than I can provide with most of my 35mm prints. Having said that, I'll NEVER give up film. There's a lot of film product that will never be offered on disc. Just one example, Friday the 13th Part 3 (3D) is available on Blu Ray but only in anaglyph. I happen have an original 35mm print of that title in polarized 3D that puts the Blu Ray to utter shame. If have other 3D prints that can't be found in any "real" 3D format. So I'm gonna hang in there with film and enjoy every time I lower the house lights and roll the big red curtain!! :)
     
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    Don, I have worked at two cinema chains UCI and Warner Bros and cleaning the floor everyday is a discipline to making sure all is clean spotless and I agree with it. Costumers pay to see a film not dirt and hairs 8 feet tall on the screen lol.


    I gave it few days thought when offered 35mm cheap £250.00 I looked all over my home where it can possible be fitted even cake platter in bedroom and holes in walls above the doors so I can have rollers fitted on the walls and that threading lacing would be fun but would require strict care all time.


    Plus I have cat and would have to have two doors closed and so he won't get on the platter lol and rip the film to pieces or have an injury. Cat hairs will have to be cleaned up everyday, Too much work for a hobby.


    If the film to video master tape can be done so it looks film'ish like I'd be happy to play that film repeatably without worrying about how much lamp time I have left or film jamming in the film gate and getting melted lol or brainwrap on the platter. Been there done it.


    And there are not as many 35mm on ebay as I saw a few years ago. I saw Terminator 2 (1991) CDS print sold ebay UK, for around £400.00, I hope the buyer has CDS decoder as its got no analogue Dolby SR on it.
     

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