Seven Brides for Seven Brothers (1954) ….coming from WAC

May the Seventh For Seven Brides For Seven Brothers!
#MAYTHE7 #7B47B

SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS (1954)
Two Disc Special Edition
Run Time 102:00
Subtitles English SDH

Disc One – ORIGINAL CINEMASCOPE ASPECT RATIO
BD50
NEW 2018 1080p HD MASTER
16 X 9 LETTERBOX, ORIGINAL ASPECT RATIO – 2.55:1
Uncompressed DTS HD-Master Audio 5.1 – English
Special Features:
Audio Commentary by Stanley Donen (2004)
“MGM Jubilee Overture” Short Subject, Remastered in 1080p HD and Uncompressed DTS HD-Master Audio 5.1
“Sobbin’ Women: The Making of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers,” hosted by Howard Keel (SD)
Radio City Music Hall Premiere – July 22, 1954 (SD)
MGM’s 30th Anniversary” (1954 MGM Newsreel) (SD)

Disc Two – ALTERNATE “WIDESCREEN” VERSION
BD25
FIRST TIME IN 1080p HD
16 X 9 WIDESCREEN, ORIGINAL ASPECT RATIO – 1.77:1
Uncompressed DTS HD-Master Audio 2.0 STEREO – English

Get ready for one of the liveliest, leaping-est, sassiest and happiest musicals ever, as Warner Archive Collection proudly unveils its Two-Disc Special Edition Blu-ray release of the Oscar-winning 1954 MGM classic “Seven Brides for Seven Brothers”!

Directed by Stanley Donen (“Singin’ in the Rain”), and starring Jane Powell (“Royal Wedding,” “Hit the Deck”) and Howard Keel (“Annie Get Your Gun,” “Kiss Me Kate”), “Seven Brides for Seven Brothers” was nominated for four Academy(R) Awards and won for Best Scoring of a Musical Picture. This Western musical is distinguished by a wonderful score of original songs from the team of Gene de Paul & Johnny Mercer (“L’il Abner”), and brilliant, acrobatic dancing scenes choreographed by Michael Kidd (“The Band Wagon,” “Guys and Dolls”).

Adam (Howard Keel), the eldest of seven brothers, goes to town to get a wife. He convinces Milly (Jane Powell) to marry him that same day. After they return to his backwoods home she discovers he has six brothers — all living in his cabin. Milly sets out to reform the uncouth siblings, who are anxious to get wives of their own. Then, after reading about the Roman capture of the Sabine women, Adam develops an inspired solution to his brothers’ loneliness…kidnap the women they want from the surrounding villages.

BONUS! Soundtrack now available from Water Tower Music!
Click here to get the Soundtrack to this Best Score Academy Award(R)-winning song-and-dance-filled comedy with music by Gene DePaul and lyrics by Johnny Mercer: http://lnk.to/sevenbridesAa

1. Main Title (Seven Brides For Seven Brothers) Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 2. Bless Yore Beautiful Hide Howard Keel 3. Do Unto Udders Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 4. Bless Yore Beautiful Hide (Reprise) Howard Keel 5. Wonderful, Wonderful Day Jane Powell 6. Adam In Treetop Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 7. When You’re In Love Jane Powell 8. Goin’ Co’tin’ Jane Powell, Tommy Rall, Russ Tamblyn, Marc Platt, Matt Mattox, Jacques D’Amboise, Jeff Richards, Howard Hudson, Gene Lanham, Robert Wacker 9. Barn Dance Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 10. Barn Raising Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 11. When You’re In Love (Reprise) Howard Keel 12. Brotherly Advice / Lonesome Winter Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 13. Lament (Lonesome Polecat) Matt Maddox 14. Lovesick Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 15. Sobbin’ Women Howard Keel, Tommy Rall, Russ Tamblyn, Matt Mattox, Alan Davies, C. Parlato, Marc Platt, Robert Wacker, Gene Lanham, M. Spergel 16. Kidnapped and Chase Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 17. June Bride Virginia Gibson, Barbara Ames, Betty Allan, Betty Noyes, Marie Vernon, Norma Zimmer 18. June Bride (Reprise) Jane Powell, Virginia Gibson, Barbara Ames, Betty Allan, Betty Noyes, Marie Vernon, Norma Zimmer 19. Spring, Spring, Spring Howard Keel, Tommy Rall, Russ Tamblyn, Matt Mattox, Alan Davies, C. Parlato, Robert Wacker, Gene Lanham, M. Spergel, Bill Lee, Virginia Gibson, Barbara Ames, Betty Allan, Betty Noyes, Marie Vernon, Norma Zimmer 20. When You’re In Love (Reprise) (Outtake)Howard Keel, Jane Powell 21. End Title (Seven Brides For Seven Brothers) Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 22. Bless Yore Beautiful Hide (Rehearsal Recording) Howard Keel 23. Goin’ Co’tin’ (Demo Recording) Stanley Donen 24. Queen Of The May (Demo Recording) Stanley Donen 25. When You’re In Love (Demo Recording) Stanley Donen 26. Spring, Spring, Spring(Demo Recording) Johnny Mercer 27. Sobbin’ Women (Demo Recording) Johnny Mercer, Gene DePaul

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  1. Wow, I'm impressed! I always heard that this film was in really bad shape. I hope it's been properly restored. WAC usually comes through on these archive titles though so I'm excited.

  2. Bob Furmanek

    This is one of several early MGM widescreen films that was photographed twice for both anamorphic and non-anamorphic widescreen presentation.

    There's more information on this page of our website: http://www.3dfilmarchive.com/the-first-year-of-widescreen

    This will be my fourth purchase of Seven Brides… my first was VHS, followed by Warner's "snapper", which succumbed to rot, unfortunately. My third was the 2-disc DVD, which included the 1.75:1 version. This is a movie, if properly harvested and prepared for disc, will literally "pop". Lots of great colour used in this one.

  3. Robert Harris

    An expensive, and beautifully produced restoration.

    WOW, I had no idea Warners were restoring this as I understood the elements to be in really poor shape. Makes an exciting announcement even better. This is a must-have, Day 1 purchase if there ever was one. Wonderful, wonderful day!

  4. Bless Their Beautiful Hide and Wonderful, Wonderful Day indeed!!!!! Amazing news! Never thought I'd see this announcement. Day 1 purchase for me, also. They said on their FB page that pre-order info. will be up soon. Not soon enough!

    And if this news isn't exciting enough, then to have Mr. Harris chime in that it's "An expensive, and beautifully produced restoration." Wow!!!

    Everyone, please buy the heck out of this title, give it to everyone on your gift list, so it's so successful that High Society may see the light of day on Blu-ray.

  5. RMajidi

    Totally unexpected and excellent news. I had to double-check that it’s not April 1.

    Wasn’t this supposed to be prohibitively expensive to restore? Was it restored?

    Had to be for Warners to release it.

  6. Even though I love MGM musicals I never have seen more than a few minutes of this, it just never grabs me. I prefer my MGM musicals with Gene Kelly and/or Judy Garland. I will probably consider this one in a future sale but very happy for those who have been waiting for this.

  7. Andrew Budgell

    I've never seen this film–I'll have to pick up this new Blu-ray and fix that!

    I hope this announcement bodes well for other problematic titles (not naming names, of course 😉 ).

    It's a really good film . . . and also a bit different. I hope you enjoy it as much as I do. By the way, I'm totally astonished by this news. I thought this film was beyond hope of restoration.

  8. Rob_Ray

    This is great news! I thought this title would be a long, long time in coming to blu ray.

    Really? You thought that? No, sir, the "long, long time coming to blu ray" would be applied to movies made or set in neighboring areas such as Ireland. Regardless, I'll be buying this one, too.:thumbs-up-smiley:

    Post Edit – a few hours later:
    I just realized that "Seven Brides" is not set anywhere near Ireland.
    I got it mixed up with "Brigadoon".
    But I'm sure everyone here got the idea, anyway.:roll:

  9. Andrew Budgell

    I've never seen this film–I'll have to pick up this new Blu-ray and fix that!

    I hope this announcement bodes well for other problematic titles (not naming names, of course 😉 ).

    Are you alluding to "Ryanstree County"?

  10. Randy Korstick

    Even though I love MGM musicals I never have seen more than a few minutes of this, it just never grabs me.[…]

    How does a package that gives you BOTH widescreen versions, grab you?
    Or from a studio who's track record for transfers have always been spot-on beautiful?
    Or "An expensive and beautifully produced restoration"?
    That alone should grab a-n-y-o-n-e.
    I, too, have never been able to make it through "7 Brides";
    but I'm now certain that it was due to the fact that I first saw it on a VHS;
    which means, in truth, I've never really seen it at all.
    Based on the deluge of posts that came within these first few hours of this thread being established,
    I have a truly great confidence on the tastes of our HTF members on this one.
    Can't wait. I know I'm in for a real treat.
    This is one hands-down Pre-Order for me, my friend.
    Therefore, Randy, take the adventure, too.:razz:opcorn:

  11. CarlLaFong

    Now, where the heck do I order this? I can't find a place to order or pre-order. Sorry if this is a dopey question, but I can't find it on amazon, warner archive, etc.

    Not dopey. The news of this release is so fresh it is currently not available to preorder. I am sure that will change over the next few days.

  12. Garysb

    Not dopey. The news of this release is so fresh it is currently not available to preorder. I am sure that will change over the next few days.

    Thanks! I have a credit on amazon at the moment, so I'll be watching there…

  13. atfree

    May the Seventh For Seven Brides For Seven Brothers!
    #MAYTHE7 #7B47B

    SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS (1954)
    Two Disc Special Edition
    Run Time 102:00
    Subtitles English SDH

    Disc One – ORIGINAL CINEMASCOPE ASPECT RATIO
    BD50
    NEW 2018 1080p HD MASTER
    16 X 9 LETTERBOX, ORIGINAL ASPECT RATIO – 2.55:1
    Uncompressed DTS HD-Master Audio 5.1 – English
    Special Features:
    Audio Commentary by Stanley Donen (2004)
    "MGM Jubilee Overture" Short Subject, Remastered in 1080p HD and Uncompressed DTS HD-Master Audio 5.1
    "Sobbin' Women: The Making of Seven Brides for Seven Brothers," hosted by Howard Keel (SD)
    Radio City Music Hall Premiere – July 22, 1954 (SD)
    MGM's 30th Anniversary" (1954 MGM Newsreel) (SD)

    Disc Two – ALTERNATE “WIDESCREEN” VERSION
    BD25
    FIRST TIME IN 1080p HD
    16 X 9 WIDESCREEN, ORIGINAL ASPECT RATIO – 1.77:1
    Uncompressed DTS HD-Master Audio 2.0 STEREO – English

    Get ready for one of the liveliest, leaping-est, sassiest and happiest musicals ever, as Warner Archive Collection proudly unveils its Two-Disc Special Edition Blu-ray release of the Oscar-winning 1954 MGM classic "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers"!

    Directed by Stanley Donen ("Singin' in the Rain"), and starring Jane Powell ("Royal Wedding," "Hit the Deck") and Howard Keel ("Annie Get Your Gun," "Kiss Me Kate"), "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" was nominated for four Academy(R) Awards and won for Best Scoring of a Musical Picture. This Western musical is distinguished by a wonderful score of original songs from the team of Gene de Paul & Johnny Mercer ("L'il Abner"), and brilliant, acrobatic dancing scenes choreographed by Michael Kidd ("The Band Wagon," "Guys and Dolls").

    Adam (Howard Keel), the eldest of seven brothers, goes to town to get a wife. He convinces Milly (Jane Powell) to marry him that same day. After they return to his backwoods home she discovers he has six brothers — all living in his cabin. Milly sets out to reform the uncouth siblings, who are anxious to get wives of their own. Then, after reading about the Roman capture of the Sabine women, Adam develops an inspired solution to his brothers' loneliness…kidnap the women they want from the surrounding villages.

    BONUS! Soundtrack now available from Water Tower Music!
    Click here to get the Soundtrack to this Best Score Academy Award(R)-winning song-and-dance-filled comedy with music by Gene DePaul and lyrics by Johnny Mercer: http://lnk.to/sevenbridesAa

    1. Main Title (Seven Brides For Seven Brothers) Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 2. Bless Yore Beautiful Hide Howard Keel 3. Do Unto Udders Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 4. Bless Yore Beautiful Hide (Reprise) Howard Keel 5. Wonderful, Wonderful Day Jane Powell 6. Adam In Treetop Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 7. When You're In Love Jane Powell 8. Goin' Co'tin' Jane Powell, Tommy Rall, Russ Tamblyn, Marc Platt, Matt Mattox, Jacques D'Amboise, Jeff Richards, Howard Hudson, Gene Lanham, Robert Wacker 9. Barn Dance Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 10. Barn Raising Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 11. When You're In Love (Reprise) Howard Keel 12. Brotherly Advice / Lonesome Winter Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 13. Lament (Lonesome Polecat) Matt Maddox 14. Lovesick Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 15. Sobbin' Women Howard Keel, Tommy Rall, Russ Tamblyn, Matt Mattox, Alan Davies, C. Parlato, Marc Platt, Robert Wacker, Gene Lanham, M. Spergel 16. Kidnapped and Chase Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 17. June Bride Virginia Gibson, Barbara Ames, Betty Allan, Betty Noyes, Marie Vernon, Norma Zimmer 18. June Bride (Reprise) Jane Powell, Virginia Gibson, Barbara Ames, Betty Allan, Betty Noyes, Marie Vernon, Norma Zimmer 19. Spring, Spring, Spring Howard Keel, Tommy Rall, Russ Tamblyn, Matt Mattox, Alan Davies, C. Parlato, Robert Wacker, Gene Lanham, M. Spergel, Bill Lee, Virginia Gibson, Barbara Ames, Betty Allan, Betty Noyes, Marie Vernon, Norma Zimmer 20. When You're In Love (Reprise) (Outtake)Howard Keel, Jane Powell 21. End Title (Seven Brides For Seven Brothers) Adolph Deutsch, MGM Studio Orchestra 22. Bless Yore Beautiful Hide (Rehearsal Recording) Howard Keel 23. Goin' Co'tin' (Demo Recording) Stanley Donen 24. Queen Of The May (Demo Recording) Stanley Donen 25. When You're In Love (Demo Recording) Stanley Donen 26. Spring, Spring, Spring(Demo Recording) Johnny Mercer 27. Sobbin' Women (Demo Recording) Johnny Mercer, Gene DePaul

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    Kinda surprised they didn’t wait till July 7th (7/7) to release SBFSB.

  14. Kyrsten Brad

    Kinda surprised they didn’t wait till July 7th (7/7) to release SBFSB.

    Well, it hasn't been released yet, so there's still that opportunity. However, July 7th is on a Saturday, so it's still pretty unlikely.

  15. Kyrsten Brad

    Kinda surprised they didn’t wait till July 7th (7/7) to release SBFSB.

    Funny you should write this when you did.
    Your Post is time-stamped at being 21 minutes shy of exactly 7 hours from when this had thread started.
    And just for the record, 21 is a multiple of 7:wacko:

  16. Andrew Budgell

    How did you guess? 😉

    Well, Andrew, it's like this…gossip travels fast…especially when it all begins from within a small coastal village.
    But you know me, I've never been one to make waves. Nope. Not me.
    BTW, Mr. Budgell, are you in need of a Taylor? Um, I mean, Tailor. Geez, I wonder where that one came from?:D

  17. Kyrsten Brad

    Kinda surprised they didn’t wait till July 7th (7/7) to release SBFSB.

    But don't they want them to be June brides? 😉
    Seriously, though, this is absolutely great news, and they can't put it up for pre-order soon enough for my tastes! I do wonder, again, if this means there is hope for at least double-feature releases on blu, since this is their first release to offer us two NEW transfers in one set (as opposed to one new HD transfer and a SD transfer as an extra, like The Big Sleep, or a new HD transfer alongside an old HD transfer that has probably long since paid for itself, like their release of Superman the Movie).

  18. ahollis

    What is the release date? Today is the 7th. The 17th is a Thursday. I read it as May 7th but that can’t be right.

    We don't know the release date yet. They JUST announced the release today (May 7th), and we probably won't know for a while.

  19. Was the mention of the soundtrak CD or download in the first post just a commercial or is that also included with the blu ray set.

    . It sounds quite good on Spotify.

    On another topic. You would think a new restoration of this film would have been included in the recently concluded Turner Classic Film Festival. Perhaps this has only been restored for home video and there won't be any theatrical showings.

  20. Garysb

    Was the mention of the soundtrak CD or download in the first post just a commercial or is that also included with the blu ray set.

    . It sounds quite good on Spotify.

    On another topic. You would think a new restoration of this film would have been included in the recently concluded Turner Classic Film Festival. Perhaps this has only been restored for home video and there won't be any theatrical showings.

    Another possibility is that the restoration wasn’t ready in time to be presented at the festival, as happened with the revised restoration of Spartacus a few years ago.

  21. richardburton84

    Another possibility is that the restoration wasn’t ready in time to be presented at the festival, as happened with the revised restoration of Spartacus a few years ago.

    Anything is possible, of course, but if the film is apparently ready for blu ray release and the festival was just last week, it seems that it would have been ready. In the past it has been a few months , up to a year, or never for a film restoration after being featured at the Turner Festival, to make its way on to blu ray. "The Awful Truth" being a recent example. A little premature to have this conversation now because we don't have a release date yet for the blu ray.

  22. Garysb

    For anyone unfamilar with the MGM 30th Anniversary Overture included in HD on this release.

    There's a bit better quality version of that here:

    It will be nice to have the remastered 1080p version on the Blu-ray disc!

    Mark

  23. Garysb

    Anything is possible, of course, but if the film is apparently ready for blu ray release and the festival was just last week, it seems that it would have been ready. In the past it has been a few months , up to a year, or never for a film restoration after being featured at the Turner Festival, to make its way on to blu ray. "The Awful Truth" being a recent example. A little premature to have this conversation now because we don't have a release date yet for the blu ray.

    Perhaps, though I’ve just thought of another potential reason why Warner wouldn’t show off the new restoration, though I sincerely hope it’s not the reason. The reason I’m thinking of is that Warner might be worried about offending feminists with it’s subject matter (ridiculous as that may seem). I know of this because when I was taking a film class in community college, my professor asked me to give him suggestions on what to show in the class and I suggested this film for musicals. He decided not to show the film partially because of the reason suggested earlier though he conceded it was a good choice.

  24. Kyrsten Brad

    Heard so much about this film, never have seen it.
    Onto the Wish List it goes.

    Never seen it? Boy are you in for a real treat. I saw it many times where I worked.I also saw the blow-up to 70mm version. It is one of the all-time greats in musicals. Jane Powell is unforgettable. It towers above most other musicals.Hopefully THE STUDENT PRINCE will also be released on bluray as it too,is long overdue.

  25. richardburton84

    Perhaps, though I’ve just thought of another potential reason why Warner wouldn’t show off the new restoration, though I sincerely hope it’s not the reason. The reason I’m thinking of is that Warner might be worried about offending feminists with it’s subject matter (ridiculous as that may seem). I know of this because when I was taking a film class in community college, my professor asked me to give him suggestions on what to show in the class and I suggested this film for musicals. He decided not to show the film partially because of the reason suggested earlier though he conceded it was a good choice.

    You’re probably correct. We live in a very sensitive age.

    Remember, The Devils cannot be viewed. Nor can Song of The a South.

    Between #MeToo, Mr. Cosby, Mr. Polanski, and Mr. Weinstein…

    This may be the same reason that there’s no restoration of Gigi.

    It comes down to public awareness, Mr. Chevalier (who already had problems with the Nazis), and his penchant for “little girls.”

    A sad state of affairs, but who knows how viewing Gigi in a restored form, with proper colors, might affect otherwise normal people.

    Same situation as with the horrific spate of bank and convenience store holdups, following the release of Bonnie and Clyde.

    We must protect everyone from ourselves.

    Or possibly a DCP wasn’t ready.

  26. Camper

    I'm guessing only the scope version is restored and the other is kind of a bonus thing?

    Also, why not a UHD release? If they did such a good job of restoration why not?

    Possibly because, between early CinemaScope, and Agfa stock, there isn’t 4k information.

  27. Apologies to anyone who appreciates “little girls,” and may have been offended by my earlier posting.

    My comment should not be construed as negative toward any individual that might even whistle that tune…

    Everyone has a natural born right to watch Gigi.

  28. Camper

    Also, why not a UHD release? If they did such a good job of restoration why not?

    Yeah, I mean there's a huge market for old movie musicals in the UHD market along side the Marvel and DC "classics", right? 🙄

  29. Thomas T

    Yeah, I mean there's a huge market for old movie musicals in the UHD market along side the Marvel and DC "classics", right? 🙄

    Probably more based upon the technical merits of the production, and the overall resolution of the image.

  30. Robert Harris

    Apologies to anyone who appreciates “little girls,” and may have been offended by my earlier posting.

    My comment should not be construed as negative toward any individual that might even whistle that tune…

    Everyone has a natural born right to watch Gigi.

    No apology necessary. I do however suspect that some people today will enjoy misinterpreting Thank Heaven For Little Girls.

  31. Oh, yes, those who cannot process anything from the past cannot stomach Thank Heaven for Little Girls and forcing their nasty interpretations on it, giving it a five-star creepy rating. This is not a good time.

  32. haineshisway

    Oh, yes, those who cannot process anything from the past cannot stomach Thank Heaven for Little Girls and forcing their nasty interpretations on it, giving it a five-star creepy rating. This is not a good time.

    If you're looking for something, there's every chance you'll find it even if it's not there. 🙁 Classic films are now subjected to 2018 sensibilities. Suddenly films like Gone With The Wind (racist), Gigi (pedophilia), 7 Brides For 7 Brothers (innocent girls kidnapped by sex hungry mountain men), The Good Earth (Asians played by Caucasians), Babes On Broadway (Rooney and Garland in blackface), The King And I (white woman "civilizing" Asian barbarian) are suddenly persona non grata. And it's not just the classic era. Even more recent films like 1980's Blue Lagoon (sexualizing children) and 1991's Silence Of The Lambs ("gay" serial killer kidnaps, tortures and kills innocent girls) face scrutiny.

  33. Fantastic news. I was under the impression that the OCN was severely damaged when SBFSB was blown up to 70MM in the 1960's. I'm wondering what source(s) was/were used? Perhaps there were separation masters made originally? A definite purchase in it's fourth incarnation.

  34. Robert Crawford

    This thread has gone off the rails, lets stay focus on this great film coming out on Blu-ray. Thank you.

    Has it? I'm not so sure. This is a really fascinating time to be releasing this film, and at the very least I'd think we can all be mature enough to have a reasonable discussion about the movie's "problematic" content (by today's standards, and using the preferred vernacular of the moment) while also celebrating the fact that Warners have seen fit to release it despite possible objections. In fact, I'd contend that this is one of the reasons why the movie should be released – so we can discuss its relative merits as a movie (it remains one of my two or three all-time favorite musicals) within a historical context while also acknowledging that it could never be made today. To the commenter who mentioned their film studies professor declining to show it out of concern for offending people, I'd say that a good film studies professor should have screened the film then encouraged a discussion around the film's history and contextualizing the things that might be considered offensive.

    Regarding Gigi, I'll admit that I've never really loved the movie in part due to the ickiness factor – a perfectly reasonable objection to have if that's one's reaction – and in part because I've always found it somewhat stodgy (as I find a lot of Minnelli's movies). But I also recognize it's a well-loved classic and that any issues with the content should in no way stand in the way of its being restored, released and widely screened – in fact, these issues are one of the reasons why it should be shown. If you're going to start declining to show classic movies because their content doesn't fit our modern standards of cultural acceptance – brother, you're not going to have a lot of classics to choose from.

    I'm celebrating Seven Brides' restoration today because I dearly love the film while I'm also acknowledging that it's a film that could not be made in our current climate and that that may or may not be a good thing. Even yesterday when I posted my joy at the movie being released on Facebook I had someone who by NO means is either a cinephile or a champion of political correctness (in fact he's usually antagonistic toward it) comment on how it's a great movie but also "a bit strange." I seriously doubt this had anything to do with TCM declining to screen the restoration at the festival (it's still shown frequently on the channel and, I imagine, garners pretty steady viewership). Either way, I'm glad we're getting it and can't wait to click the "order" button.

  35. Mark VH

    Has it? I'm not so sure. This is a really fascinating time to be releasing this film, and at the very least I'd think we can all be mature enough to have a reasonable discussion about the movie's "problematic" content (by today's standards, and using the preferred vernacular of the moment) while also celebrating the fact that Warners have seen fit to release it despite possible objections. In fact, I'd contend that this is one of the reasons why the movie should be released – so we can discuss its relative merits as a movie (it remains one of my two or three all-time favorite musicals) within a historical context while also acknowledging that it could never be made today. To the commenter who mentioned their film studies professor declining to show it out of concern for offending people, I'd say that a good film studies professor should have screened the film then encouraged a discussion around the film's history and contextualizing the things that might be considered offensive.

    Regarding Gigi, I'll admit that I've never really loved the movie in part due to the ickiness factor – a perfectly reasonable objection to have if that's one's reaction – and in part because I've always found it somewhat stodgy (as I find a lot of Minnelli's movies). But I also recognize it's a well-loved classic and that any issues with the content should in no way stand in the way of its being restored, released and widely screened – in fact, these issues are one of the reasons why it should be shown. If you're going to start declining to show classic movies because their content doesn't fit our modern standards of cultural acceptance – brother, you're not going to have a lot of classics to choose from.

    I'm celebrating Seven Brides' restoration today because I dearly love the film while I'm also acknowledging that it's a film that could not be made in our current climate and that that may or may not be a good thing. Even yesterday when I posted my joy at the movie being released on Facebook I had someone who by NO means is either a cinephile or a champion of political correctness (in fact he's usually antagonistic toward it) comment on how it's a great movie but also "a bit strange." I seriously doubt this had anything to do with TCM declining to screen the restoration at the festival (it's still shown frequently on the channel and, I imagine, garners pretty steady viewership). Either way, I'm glad we're getting it and can't wait to click the "order" button.

    Thank you. While I realize many don't want to veer off the traditional path of a steady line of responses like "Gee, I never thought this would happen" and "I love this movie, I can't wait", these side discussions are very often the most interesting part of a thread.

  36. ahollis

    What is the release date? Today is the 7th. The 17th is a Thursday. I read it as May 7th but that can’t be right.

    Warner Archive always announces their titles one month in advance so this will be released on a Tuesday in June we just don't know which one yet. Since it was the 1st blu announced for June best guess would be June 5th.

  37. Randy Korstick

    Warner Archive always announces their titles one month in advance so this will be released on a Tuesday in June we just don't know which one yet. Since it was the 1st blu announced for June best guess would be June 5th.

    That's not quite 100% true. They originally made their announcement for January AND February 2018 together back in December, and as far as I can tell, they still haven't given us release dates/ pre-orders for 3 out of the 4 titles they had announced for (we thought) May, either. But I would still agree with you that this movie *should* be a June release.

  38. My own theory regarding why the new SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS (1954) restoration hasn't had any advance screenings is that The Warner Archive wants to maximize sales by releasing it to home video first, in a reversal of some recent releases by other companies. Nothing to do with bowing to PC sensibilities, in which case there would be no Blu-ray, either. Just my opinion.

    Meanwhile, the list of titles to buy after my self imposed home video purchase moratorium is growing ever larger, as the Mrs actually wants an upgrade from our DVD, an event that is practically unheard of in our household! 😀

    CHEERS! 🙂

  39. Tony Bensley

    My own theory regarding why the new SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS (1954) restoration hasn't had any advance screenings is that The Warner Archive wants to maximize sales by releasing it to home video first, in a reversal of some recent releases by other companies. Nothing to do with bowing to PC sensibilities, in which case there would be no Blu-ray, either. Just my opinion.

    Meanwhile, the list of titles to buy after my self imposed home video purchase moratorium is growing ever larger, as the Mrs actually wants an upgrade from our DVD, an event that is practically unheard of in our household! 😀

    CHEERS! 🙂

    Order it now, and have it delivered to the new digs. Milly will have it cleaned up when you arrive

  40. Astairefan

    That's not quite 100% true. They originally made their announcement for January AND February 2018 together back in December, and as far as I can tell, they still haven't given us release dates/ pre-orders for 3 out of the 4 titles they had announced for (we thought) May, either. But I would still agree with you that this movie *should* be a June release.

    January and February was an exception only because they take December off and that was the only year that they did 2 months at once. But their normal release pattern for the past 5-6 years has been to announce the titles for a month in the previous month. Occasionally they have teased titles a couple months before. May just started so not all the May titles are on their preorders yet but this is normal.

  41. Robert Harris

    You’re probably correct. We live in a very sensitive age.

    Remember, The Devils cannot be viewed. Nor can Song of The a South.

    Between #MeToo, Mr. Cosby, Mr. Polanski, and Mr. Weinstein…

    This may be the same reason that there’s no restoration of Gigi.

    It comes down to public awareness, Mr. Chevalier (who already had problems with the Nazis), and his penchant for “little girls.”

    A sad state of affairs, but who knows how viewing Gigi in a restored form, with proper colors, might affect otherwise normal people.

    Same situation as with the horrific spate of bank and convenience store holdups, following the release of Bonnie and Clyde.

    We must protect everyone from ourselves.

    I'm not a fan of GIGI, but I might have a change of heart if I were to see a restored transfer. I was dragged into it by my Grandmother when it came to the Bedford Playhouse in NY, and hated it (I was only eight). I have tried to like it ever since. The "Thank Heaven For Little Girls" number that Chevalier opens the movie with has always seemed a little creepy to me, although the phrase "little girls" is pervasive in our culture. Adult women are referred to as "girls" far more often than men are called "boys," although that is also used. Song lyrics, especially in the 50's and 60's, constantly refer to their lady friends as "little girl." This is all coming to the fore after all this time thanks to these recent "push-backs."

    New movements such as what we are now seeing are always going to go to an extreme opposite of what has been accepted until recently. The pendulum has moved to the other side of the clock. It will swing back eventually until it settles somewhere near the middle. I would elaborate on my feelings about all this, but I would then be entering the realm of politics and religion, and that's a no-no here.

    Women have a lot of cry out about, and I am with them in their fight against legitimate abuse and harassment. But I worry that this could, indeed, lead to censorship of extant art, including film, maybe sometimes based purely on unfounded allegations. I worry that this could lead to removing all prints and video copies of movies that modern women find offensive, or which include performances by people who are accused of such behavior. Disney's repression of SOS is bad enough, but in this political climate, the U.S. may be gearing up to begin removing offending content because it is merely associated with an abuser. I can see discontinuing a t.v. series because it stars someone who has been proven to be guilty of such things, but pulling existing work is draconian. All people are multi-faceted. We all have a dark side, But that does not mean that the good/creative side should be squelched, You might look at the convicted sex offender Victor Salva, who was nonetheless able to direct his JEEPERS CREEPERS films, to quite a lot of success.

    But in Maine, just today, the Portland Press Herald has reported that three paintings that had been hung in a university art gallery have been taken down because there was a complaint from the parent of a 1999 victim of a crime he perpetrated, for which he was convicted and spent some jail time, complaining that the paintings had been created by a sex offender and should be removed. I worry about this sort of thing, First, the offenses took place nineteen years ago. Second, the man is apparently a very talented artist. Third, whatever happened to the notion that "He paid his debt to society"? The man's art is one facet of his persona, The sex crime(s) were (and I emphasize "were") another. Why can't we keep them separate? What if all of us were found out by the press to have done something untoward (and we have), and published it all, followed by public demands that everything good we accomplished simply no longer matters? Is there no forgiveness on at least an artistic level?

    That Polanski and Cosby are being dropped by the MPAA similarly sends up red flags. I get it. I am sure that women, especially those who have been harassed or abused by these men, feel vindicated by this. But perhaps they should step back a bit (and may eventually, after the emotional chaos that is happening right now, settles down). Both Cosby and Polanski have created wonderful art, and none of that should be negated. Their crimes and misdemeanors need to be addressed, yes, and prosecuted if appropriate, but that terrible facet of these people is NOT the same one that created their great art. Please, let us keep them separate!

    This sort of thing is no doubt happening all over the country as I type this rather verbose answer to Mr. Harris' post, and I apologize to the OP for rambling, but this issue is important and needs study. It's a complex one, for sure, and is currently embroiled in push-backs, and long-overdue discourse should be demanded so that art can be separated from other personality traits, the way that church and state should be disparate.

  42. Robert Harris

    Apologies to anyone who appreciates “little girls,” and may have been offended by my earlier posting.

    My comment should not be construed as negative toward any individual that might even whistle that tune…

    Everyone has a natural born right to watch Gigi.

    Three daughters and five granddaughter! No offense taken! mark

  43. The recent Broadway revival of the stage musical version of GIGI took the song "Thank Heaven for Little Girls" away from the Honoré Lachaille character. However, they gave it to Mamita and Aunt Alicia to sing. Given the fact that the two women were preparing Gigi to be a courtesan, I thought the change made the song even ickier.

  44. Drew Salzan

    Fantastic news. I was under the impression that the OCN was severely damaged when SBFSB was blown up to 70MM in the 1960's. I'm wondering what source(s) was/were used? Perhaps there were separation masters made originally? A definite purchase in it's fourth incarnation.

    I'm also curious about the factors that made this restorations problematic. Did these issues affect both versions, or was one in significantly worse shape?

    I hope WB will be able to continue to give the same treatment to other films, including long sought-after titles that require extra attention and expense.

  45. Andrew Budgell

    I've never seen this film–I'll have to pick up this new Blu-ray and fix that!

    I hope this announcement bodes well for other problematic titles (not naming names, of course 😉 ).

    I've been following the Release Raintree County on Blu-Ray/DVD page for years thanks to your continuing efforts to spread the word about it. So hopefully it's in the pipeline at Warner Archive, especially given that the FilmStruck streaming version looks good, but I'm sure a Blu-Ray would look better.

    (I also logged back in after years of inactivity just to say that, haha. Maybe I'll stick around.)

    But in all honesty, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is one of my absolute favorite MGM musicals, so I'm glad to see it'll finally get a Blu-ray release.

  46. Mark Booth

    I made a little joke and then saw Robert's post. Never mind.

    Mark

    Funny thing, as this time around I made a comment – but wasn't joking – and then saw Robert's post, as well.
    After deleting, to keep the release of "7 Brides" on topic – per Robert – and I continued reading on.
    Then I came upon Post #66 by Thomas T and Post #71 by Mark VH; which I dare say I concurred with both of them wholeheartedly.
    With that said, I have nothing more to add.
    ON TOPIC: The excitement from yesterday's release announcement remains just as strong, today.

  47. PMF

    Funny thing, as this time a made a comment – but wasn't joking – and then saw Robert's post, as well.
    After deleting, to keep the release of "7 Brides" on topic – per Robert – and I continued reading on.
    Then I came upon the post by Mark VH; which I dare say I concurred with wholeheartedly.
    With that said, I have nothing more to add.
    ON TOPIC: The excitement from yesterday's release announcement remains just as strong on this very following day.

    I'm going to allow the discussion to proceed as long as the thread doesn't become politicize nor the main focus of this thread.

  48. AFAIK, 7B47B was heavily damaged during the optical process, creating 70mm prints.

    A myriad of reasons.

    Sep masters may have been improperly produced, orienting more toward a normal filtration and exposure of Eastman 5248.

    But the stock wasn’t. Therefore seps would probably answer incorrectly.

    Finest surviving materials should be extant portions of OCN, as well as one or two early IPs, produced pre-damage.

    There’s a story here to be told, of WB’s continuing challenge to save their library.

    I believe everyone will be thrilled when 7B arrives.

  49. Well then, here I go.
    To my mind, the only truly creepy thing about "Gigi" is the title song.
    It's a terrible song. Louis Jourdan can't sell it. And its all the more uncomfortable watching him attempt a Rex Harrison.
    From a creative standpoint it remains unbearable being subjected to Lerner and Lowe's forced and failed attempt at giving us another version of "I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face'. Case in point, "Accustomed" is the Glengarry that can be sold and whistled; whereas "Gigi" is the property that can not.
    But, then again, its the only bad song in the entire film; therefore I sure do hope that WAC will consider a full restoration of "Gigi"; as its greatest attributes still stand the test of time.
    Until then, its "7 Brides" for me.

  50. Robert Harris

    Apologies to anyone who appreciates “little girls,” and may have been offended by my earlier posting.

    My comment should not be construed as negative toward any individual that might even whistle that tune…

    Everyone has a natural born right to watch Gigi.

    No offense taken (at least by me). 🙂

  51. It would be amazing if, since this "expensive" resoration has come, Warners could give us not only titles like Around the World in 80 Days, but also titles like The Broadway Melody, the Hollywood Revue of 1929 or The Crowd.

  52. battlebeast

    Have you seen it restored? Or do you just know from talking to fellow Restoration experts? 🙂

    I know from speaking with those involved, who have seen it.

    We have our own language, and form of communication

    Rather like twins

    And I trust them.

    As to Gigi…

    I love the film.

  53. Escapay

    I've been following the Release Raintree County on Blu-Ray/DVD page for years thanks to your continuing efforts to spread the word about it. So hopefully it's in the pipeline at Warner Archive, especially given that the FilmStruck streaming version looks good, but I'm sure a Blu-Ray would look better.

    (I also logged back in after years of inactivity just to say that, haha. Maybe I'll stick around.)

    But in all honesty, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is one of my absolute favorite MGM musicals, so I'm glad to see it'll finally get a Blu-ray release.

    It's great to see you here, Albert! Don't be a stranger. 🙂 Thanks for your support of the Facebook page!

  54. This release is a really good sign that possibly even better things are on the way.
    I hope that after the big complete Fred and Ginger Blu ray set sees daylight, we get The Pajama Game. And then all those Show Boats, and, for good measure, For Me and My Gal and The Harvey Girls.

  55. I gonna return my copy on Blu Ray of WC Fields' It's the Old Army Game for credit. Can't have a character in a film named Elmer Prettywillie. It won't do M'Lord!!!! As if I would? No way.

  56. I never understand the "creepy" factor, sorry. Read the lyric, listen to the song – this grandfatherly character is not saying he WANTS a pre-pubescent girl, for God's sake. He's saying that little girls grow up to be delightful women. Do people find it "creepy" when an older person says about a child "what a beautiful young girl (or young lady, depending on one's vernacular) – or what a handsome young boy (because, you know, women say that all the time). I'm so bored of this stuff, frankly.

  57. haineshisway

    I never understand the "creepy" factor, sorry. Read the lyric, listen to the song – this grandfatherly character is not saying he WANTS a pre-pubescent girl, for God's sake. He's saying that little girls grow up to be delightful women. Do people find it "creepy" when an older person says about a child "what a beautiful young girl (or young lady, depending on one's vernacular) – or what a handsome young boy (because, you know, women say that all the time). I'm so bored of this stuff, frankly.

    Wasn't trying to infer that Chevalier was desiring very young girls, and I understand the intent of the song, especially the chorus lyric. Perhaps what makes it a bit creepy for me is that it's being sung by an actor I really do not care for. Just me. 🙂

  58. haineshisway

    I never understand the "creepy" factor, sorry. Read the lyric, listen to the song – this grandfatherly character is not saying he WANTS a pre-pubescent girl, for God's sake. He's saying that little girls grow up to be delightful women. Do people find it "creepy" when an older person says about a child "what a beautiful young girl (or young lady, depending on one's vernacular) – or what a handsome young boy (because, you know, women say that all the time). I'm so bored of this stuff, frankly.

    Apparently there were modern concerns with "Little Girls" during the 2015 Broadway revivial of the musical based on the MGM film. Instead of the song being sung by Honoré Lachaille, it was sung by
    Madame Alvarez ( Mamita) and Aunt Alicia, Gigi's grandmother and great aunt. In addition they made Gaston Lachaille closer in age to Gigi, so that it wasn't the story of a 40 year old man with a 15 or 17 year old girl, though obviously Leslie Caron was older when the film was made.

  59. Modern concerns – for a period piece set in what year? THAT is the problem here – everyone is putting their own stuff on this – the movie is a period piece that takes place at the turn of the twentieth century. Different time, different world. But of course, let's just paint over history for our delicate modern sensibilities. Want a fun game? Imagine a screening right now of Louis Malle's Pretty Baby. Just imagine that. He'd probably be arrested if he made that film today and the film would probably be burned. That's where we're headed folks.

  60. Robert Harris

    I know from speaking with those involved, who have seen it.

    We have our own language, and form of communication

    Rather like twins

    And I trust them.

    As to Gigi…

    I love the film.

    Thank you.

    And If you trust your "twins", I trust them!

  61. Thank you Warner Brothers for bringing some much needed happiness into my life.
    This announcement has certainly lifted my spirits.

    I'm another who had written this title off, but to get the matted version as well is totally beyond belief.

    Doug.

  62. haineshisway

    Want a fun game? Imagine a screening right now of Louis Malle's Pretty Baby. Just imagine that. He'd probably be arrested if he made that film today and the film would probably be burned. That's where we're headed folks.

    As would no doubt Malle's Murmur Of The Heart! And if Taxi Driver were made today, Scorsese would have to make Jodie Foster's character 16 years old and played by an 18 year old actress.

    And to stay on track (to keep the moderator happy :)), of the remaining MGM musicals I wouldn't mind blu rays of The Pirate, Words And Music and Meet Me In Las Vegas (not a great musical but that Frankie And Johnny production number is sensational).

  63. Thomas T

    . . . of the remaining MGM musicals I wouldn't mind blu rays of . . . . Meet Me In Las Vegas (not a great musical but that Frankie And Johnny production number is sensational).

    I agree. I agree. A thousand times I agree. Cyd Charisse, it seems, has her detractors – there are some really peculiar people in this world – but no other dancer could have done that routine so expressively and so erotically.

  64. Post Edit – a few hours later:
    I just realized that "Seven Brides" is not set anywhere near Ireland.
    I got it mixed up with "Brigadoon".
    But I'm sure everyone here got the idea, anyway.:roll:

    Don't you mean Scotland?

  65. About time! Let's hope Warner is aggressively pursuing a campaign for High Society, The Student Prince, Holiday in Mexico, Showboat, Small Town Girl, Nancy Goes to Rio, The Great Ziegfeld, Ziegfeld Girl, For Me and My Gal, Royal Wedding, The Belle of New York, That Midnight Kiss, The Toast of New Orleans, Two Weeks With Love, Three Little Words, Million Dollar Mermaid, Easy to Love, and, Bathing Beauty – my all-time favorite Esther Williams musical. It's rewarding to see Seven Brides finally coming to Blu. A costly restoration…yes. A necessary one? Absolutely! Buy, Buy, Buy this one until it breaks the bank and turns the heads of execs who still think classics don't sell.

    Now, if we could get more 3-strip Technicolor from Warner Bros. too – National Velvet, The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex, Scaramouche, Ivanhoe, etc. Keep 'em coming, boys. And many, MANY thanks for this pending release. Cannot wait!

  66. About time! Let's hope Warner is aggressively pursuing a campaign for High Society, The Student Prince, Holiday in Mexico, Showboat, Small Town Girl, Nancy Goes to Rio, The Great Ziegfeld, Ziegfeld Girl, For Me and My Gal, Royal Wedding, The Belle of New York, That Midnight Kiss, The Toast of New Orleans, Two Weeks With Love, Three Little Words, Million Dollar Mermaid, Easy to Love, and, Bathing Beauty – my all-time favorite Esther Williams musical. It's rewarding to see Seven Brides finally coming to Blu. A costly restoration…yes. A necessary one? Absolutely! Buy, Buy, Buy this one until it breaks the bank and turns the heads of execs who still think classics don't sell.

    Now, if we could get more 3-strip Technicolor from Warner Bros. too – National Velvet, The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex, Scaramouche, Ivanhoe, etc. Keep 'em coming, boys. And many, MANY thanks for this pending release. Cannot wait!

  67. haineshisway

    Imagine a screening right now of Louis Malle's Pretty Baby. Just imagine that. He'd probably be arrested if he made that film today and the film would probably be burned. That's where we're headed folks.

    Once again I agree with you. PRETTY BABY did not "creep me out." I thought it was a beautifully photographed and, yes, controversial period drama that explored a small corner of hidden society that nowadays would be absolutely verboten as a theatrical film in the U.S. It has not showed up on Blu-ray anywhere, and I was even surprised when a DVD emerged. It is true that society mores bend (and sometimes break) this way and that. GIGI, which does not have any of PRETTY BABY's stigma, nonetheless turns me off. We're all different, Bruce, and we all express our opinions here as you do, thus the term "forum." Let's enjoy the diversity of perspectives, even if we find some of them vacuous.

    Back to the topic at hand: I like SEVEN BRIDES, although its studio-bound sets are a bit distracting when one really wants to see authentic mountain vistas, there are enough memorable moments (the barn raising sequence in particular) to keep me interested. Still, I have always wanted to like it more, and it looks as though the coming Blu-ray might precipitate that. And as Mr. Harris indicated somewhere above, the underscore is wonderful, and I prefer it to the songs (I would say the same for GIGI, if only I could find a copy of it isolated from dialog and sound effects).

  68. Apparently, the reason they used those fake-looking backdrops is because their budget was cut down because no one believed in the project. It ended up being one of the highest-grossing MGM films ever. It has always looked faded-out to me. Hopefully this full restoration will be impressive. Robert Harris indicated Warner Bros. has spent a lot of money and time to get this right. I’m so happy they are including both versions which are completely different takes of each shot.

  69. Robin9

    I agree. I agree. A thousand times I agree. Cyd Charisse, it seems, has her detractors – there are some really peculiar people in this world – but no other dancer could have done that routine so expressively and so erotically.

    Cyd Charisse actually has detractors? Unimaginable. Glad I've never met them.

  70. Robin9

    I agree. I agree. A thousand times I agree. Cyd Charisse, it seems, has her detractors – there are some really peculiar people in this world – but no other dancer could have done that routine so expressively and so erotically.

    Cyd Charisse actually has detractors? Unimaginable. Glad I've never met them.

  71. Robin9

    I agree. I agree. A thousand times I agree. Cyd Charisse, it seems, has her detractors – there are some really peculiar people in this world – but no other dancer could have done that routine so expressively and so erotically.

    Cyd Charisse actually has detractors? Unimaginable. Glad I've never met them.

  72. Robin9

    I agree. I agree. A thousand times I agree. Cyd Charisse, it seems, has her detractors – there are some really peculiar people in this world – but no other dancer could have done that routine so expressively and so erotically.

    Cyd Charisse actually has detractors? Unimaginable. Glad I've never met them.

  73. warnerbro

    Apparently, the reason they used those fake-looking backdrops is because their budget was cut down because no one believed in the project. It ended up being one of the highest-grossing MGM films ever. It has always looked faded-out to me. Hopefully this full restoration will be impressive. Robert Harris indicated Warner Bros. has spent a lot of money and time to get this right. I'm so happy they are including both versions which are completely different takes of each shot.

    I have read that funds from 7BF7B's budget were diverted to Brigadoon's budget as Brigadoon, a known stage hit, was seen as the film with more box office potential. Of course, the opposite occurred when the films were released.

    I've always kind of liked the "fake" background scenery of both films as they show the enormous talent of the artistic/scenic team MGM had under contract at the time. Plus, being musicals, it gives them more of a fantasy element.

  74. JoelA

    I have read that funds from 7BF7B's budget were diverted to Brigadoon's budget as Brigadoon, a known stage hit, was seen as the film with more box office potential. Of course, the opposite occurred when the films were released.

    Some of the accounts are even starker. Resources, studio and staff time being devoted to Brigadoon (an Arthur Freed production) instead of 7B (merely a Jack Cummings production). Moreover, reports of Gene Kelly's behaviour are scary, treating Brigadoon as his own and walking over some cast and crew menbers.

  75. Robert Harris

    Actually, it’s the underscore that quite beautiful, especially in the closing moments.

    Yes! One can hear the work of Andre Previn and Conrad Salinger througout Gigi. Two of the best people to ever work in film music. It was a real loss that Previn decided to leave the movies. And Salinger's arrangements impact most of the classic MGM musicals, one of the strongest people MGM ever had.

  76. Dick

    Once again I agree with you. PRETTY BABY did not "creep me out." I thought it was a beautifully photographed and, yes, controversial period drama that explored a small corner of hidden society that nowadays would be absolutely verboten as a theatrical film in the U.S. It has not showed up on Blu-ray anywhere, and I was even surprised when a DVD emerged. It is true that society mores bend (and sometimes break) this way and that. GIGI, which does not have any of PRETTY BABY's stigma, nonetheless turns me off. We're all different, Bruce, and we all express our opinions here as you do, thus the term "forum." Let's enjoy the diversity of perspectives, even if we find some of them vacuous.

    Back to the topic at hand: I like SEVEN BRIDES, although its studio-bound sets are a bit distracting when one really wants to see authentic mountain vistas, there are enough memorable moments (the barn raising sequence in particular) to keep me interested. Still, I have always wanted to like it more, and it looks as though the coming Blu-ray might precipitate that. And as Mr. Harris indicated somewhere above, the underscore is wonderful, and I prefer it to the songs (I would say the same for GIGI, if only I could find a copy of it isolated from dialog and sound effects).

    My posts really weren't directed at you – just the whole general "today" thing. 🙂

  77. Robert Harris

    AFAIK, 7B47B was heavily damaged during the optical process, creating 70mm prints.

    A myriad of reasons.

    Sep masters may have been improperly produced, orienting more toward a normal filtration and exposure of Eastman 5248.

    But the stock wasn’t. Therefore seps would probably answer incorrectly.

    Finest surviving materials should be extant portions of OCN, as well as one or two early IPs, produced pre-damage.

    There’s a story here to be told, of WB’s continuing challenge to save their library.

    I believe everyone will be thrilled when 7B arrives.

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

  78. haineshisway

    Modern concerns – for a period piece set in what year? THAT is the problem here – everyone is putting their own stuff on this – the movie is a period piece that takes place at the turn of the twentieth century. Different time, different world. But of course, let's just paint over history for our delicate modern sensibilities. Want a fun game? Imagine a screening right now of Louis Malle's Pretty Baby. Just imagine that. He'd probably be arrested if he made that film today and the film would probably be burned. That's where we're headed folks.

    This can be summed up in one word: presentism, or the unwillingness to consider material in its temporal context. i won't say inability, because it doesn't fit.

  79. My mom, nearly 91 years old when she died 5 years ago, loved "Seven Brides For Seven Brothers", which she saw in the theatre with my dad when the movie was new. She loved everything about it, and she loved being able to watch it at home, first on pan-and-scan VHS, then on a letterboxed laserdisc ("Look, mom: seven brides, seven brothers"), then on the double letterboxed laserdisc ("They shot the movie twice, mom: it's the same, only different"), then on the double DVD, by which time we were watching it on a 58" JVC D-ILA ("We've come a long way from 3 1/2 brides for 3 1/2 brothers, mom"). She won't actually be here to watch the Blu-Ray of "Seven Brides For Seven Brothers", but she'll be in the room regardless. For anybody wondering why a restored Blu-Ray of a delightful, corny old musical with regressive sexual politics and painted backdrops but great songs and performances might mean something more than that to somebody, that's my answer. On behalf of my mom, can I add that my parents each had 6 siblings, and that one of her brothers married one of my dad's sisters?

  80. This is amongst my favourite musicals. Have always loved the music, and in particular Adolph Deutsch's superb arrangements, not to mention his adroit conducting. I was always a fan of Anscocolor, despite others having a less than high opinion of this tri-pack film process. It's put to great use in this film. J Steven Lasher.

  81. davidmatychuk

    My mom, nearly 91 years old when she died 5 years ago, loved "Seven Brides For Seven Brothers", which she saw in the theatre with my dad when the movie was new. She loved everything about it, and she loved being able to watch it at home, first on pan-and-scan VHS, then on a letterboxed laserdisc ("Look, mom: seven brides, seven brothers"), then on the double letterboxed laserdisc ("They shot the movie twice, mom: it's the same, only different"), then on the double DVD, by which time we were watching it on a 58" JVC D-ILA ("We've come a long way from 3 1/2 brides for 3 1/2 brothers, mom"). She won't actually be here to watch the Blu-Ray of "Seven Brides For Seven Brothers", but she'll be in the room regardless. For anybody wondering why a restored Blu-Ray of a delightful, corny old musical with regressive sexual politics and painted backdrops but great songs and performances might mean something more than that to somebody, that's my answer. On behalf of my mom, can I add that my parents each had 6 siblings, and that one of her brothers married one of my dad's sisters?

    Great story and similar situation here without all the siblings.

    My parents homeymooned in NYC in early August 1954 and saw the film first run at Radio City Music Hall. They loved it and I've been through every home video iteration since the first VHS release in the early 80s.

  82. rsmithjr

    Yes! One can hear the work of Andre Previn and Conrad Salinger througout Gigi. Two of the best people to ever work in film music. It was a real loss that Previn decided to leave the movies. And Salinger's arrangements impact most of the classic MGM musicals, one of the strongest people MGM ever had.

    I believe Conrad Salinger's contribution was rejected as unsuitable by Lerner and Loewe.

  83. davidmatychuk

    My mom, nearly 91 years old when she died 5 years ago, loved "Seven Brides For Seven Brothers", which she saw in the theatre with my dad when the movie was new. She loved everything about it, and she loved being able to watch it at home, first on pan-and-scan VHS, then on a letterboxed laserdisc ("Look, mom: seven brides, seven brothers"), then on the double letterboxed laserdisc ("They shot the movie twice, mom: it's the same, only different"), then on the double DVD, by which time we were watching it on a 58" JVC D-ILA ("We've come a long way from 3 1/2 brides for 3 1/2 brothers, mom"). She won't actually be here to watch the Blu-Ray of "Seven Brides For Seven Brothers", but she'll be in the room regardless. For anybody wondering why a restored Blu-Ray of a delightful, corny old musical with regressive sexual politics and painted backdrops but great songs and performances might mean something more than that to somebody, that's my answer. On behalf of my mom, can I add that my parents each had 6 siblings, and that one of her brothers married one of my dad's sisters?

    Delightfully uplifting, David.
    For this – and no joke – I became the 7th member to press "Likes".
    Wish HTF had a "Loves"; one for this story and the other for your mom.

  84. JoelA

    I have read that funds from 7BF7B's budget were diverted to Brigadoon's budget as Brigadoon, a known stage hit, was seen as the film with more box office potential. Of course, the opposite occurred when the films were released.

    I have heard this story also. One wonders where that money went as Brigadoon was also filmed with backdrops. Was anything in Brigadoon filmed outdoors? At least parts "Bless Your Beautiful Hide" was filmed on the backlot.

  85. JoelA

    I have read that funds from 7BF7B's budget were diverted to Brigadoon's budget as Brigadoon, a known stage hit, was seen as the film with more box office potential. Of course, the opposite occurred when the films were released.

    I have heard this story also. One wonders where that money went as Brigadoon was also filmed with backdrops. Was anything in Brigadoon filmed outdoors? At least parts "Bless Your Beautiful Hide" was filmed on the backlot.

  86. haineshisway

    Modern concerns – for a period piece set in what year? THAT is the problem here – everyone is putting their own stuff on this – the movie is a period piece that takes place at the turn of the twentieth century. Different time, different world. But of course, let's just paint over history for our delicate modern sensibilities. Want a fun game? Imagine a screening right now of Louis Malle's Pretty Baby. Just imagine that. He'd probably be arrested if he made that film today and the film would probably be burned. That's where we're headed folks.

    my number one rule to anyone i recommend an older film to – you must watch the film within the context of the time it was made.

  87. haineshisway

    Modern concerns – for a period piece set in what year? THAT is the problem here – everyone is putting their own stuff on this – the movie is a period piece that takes place at the turn of the twentieth century. Different time, different world. But of course, let's just paint over history for our delicate modern sensibilities. Want a fun game? Imagine a screening right now of Louis Malle's Pretty Baby. Just imagine that. He'd probably be arrested if he made that film today and the film would probably be burned. That's where we're headed folks.

    my number one rule to anyone i recommend an older film to – you must watch the film within the context of the time it was made.

  88. I will definitely be buying this Blu-ray of Seven Brides For Seven Brothers. I trot out the DVD often to watch on my home theater system with someone who has not seen many "old" movies and claims not to be a fan of musicals. It has never failed to grab their attention and entertain them from start to finish. They will usually ask me what the name of that movie was months later when they are trying to recommend it to someone else.

    Even after watching it many, many times, I am still impressed by the very smart screenplay (among several, including Best Picture, Best Editing, Best Cinematography and Best Scoring of a Musical Picture, for which it won, it was nominated for an Oscar for Best Adapted Story and Screenplay) and the beautiful and effective staging and subtle direction of each character. You can pick out any one of the brothers and brides (and, for that matter, even the "bad" guys who are their rivals) to keep an eye on in those very wide screen groupings of them throughout the movie and see the care and detail put into conveying exactly the right gesture, focus and reaction for each so as to only enhance and never distract from the moment.

    You really need an extraordinarily high level of theatrical smarts, knowing, competence and talent before and behind the camera to get that so right so often. And marveling in the glorious display of it is one of the many fine pleasures in watching this one.

  89. I will definitely be buying this Blu-ray of Seven Brides For Seven Brothers. I trot out the DVD often to watch on my home theater system with someone who has not seen many "old" movies and claims not to be a fan of musicals. It has never failed to grab their attention and entertain them from start to finish. They will usually ask me what the name of that movie was months later when they are trying to recommend it to someone else.

    Even after watching it many, many times, I am still impressed by the very smart screenplay (among several, including Best Picture, Best Editing, Best Cinematography and Best Scoring of a Musical Picture, for which it won, it was nominated for an Oscar for Best Adapted Story and Screenplay) and the beautiful and effective staging and subtle direction of each character. You can pick out any one of the brothers and brides (and, for that matter, even the "bad" guys who are their rivals) to keep an eye on in those very wide screen groupings of them throughout the movie and see the care and detail put into conveying exactly the right gesture, focus and reaction for each so as to only enhance and never distract from the moment.

    You really need an extraordinarily high level of theatrical smarts, knowing, competence and talent before and behind the camera to get that so right so often. And marveling in the glorious display of it is one of the many fine pleasures in watching this one.

  90. clarification please.
    i have the two disc dvd release with both versions (2.55 and 1.77).
    is this upcoming blu-Ray the HD release of what i have or has the film been restored since the two disc dvd?
    extras seem to be the same.

  91. ABritch

    clarification please.
    i have the two disc dvd release with both versions (2.55 and 1.77).
    is this upcoming blu-Ray the HD release of what i have or has the film been restored since the two disc dvd?
    extras seem to be the same.

    From the press release: NEW 2018 1080p HD MASTER
    If you know the Archive, you know they would never put an existing master on Blu-ray. Right after they made the announcement I pulled out my 2 disc DVD just to refresh my memory of how it looked and all I can say is ugh, we’ve come a long way in 14 years.
    By the way the preorder link is live on Amazon now.

  92. Not a fan of this film really. It just never grabbed me, for whatever reason. But I’m thrilled to hear about the restoration. I will be buying the blu-ray day one to support Warners for their efforts. Perhaps in this new HD release it will finally carry me away the way it does so many others.

    And for what it’s worth, I love Gigi, especially the title tune! And who knows? Maybe soon there’ll be a push-back against the PC push-back and people will say we shouldn’t engage in “courtesan shaming.” ☺️

  93. JoelA

    I've always kind of liked the "fake" background scenery of both films as they show the enormous talent of the artistic/scenic team MGM had under contract at the time. Plus, being musicals, it gives them more of a fantasy element.

    I like them, too, and am rarely taken out of the moment because of them, as some might say. I suppose that would be true as long as "the moment" is filled with plenty of value anyway regardless of what is going on in the background.

    I also feel the transitions from location shots to studio shots in 7 Brides are quite smooth and the painted backdrops rather convincing. How convincing? I never mention it during the movie, but after it is over and friends who have never seen it before are going on about it, I will usually return to the "Wonderful, Wonderful Day" scene where it has transitioned from a location shot to a studio set. There is that moment during Jane Powell's lovely singing when a flock of birds are released. Don't blink and you might notice one of those bird crash right into the painted backdrop and ricochet into another direction after having discovered that what he thought was a means of escape to the promised land of high mountains and blue sky is nothing more than the interior wall of a sound stage in Culver City. lol.

    Perhaps no higher personal tribute has been paid to, as you rightly put it, the enormous talent of the artistic/scenic team at MGM studios.

  94. kinopanorama.widescreeen

    This is amongst my favourite musicals. Have always loved the music, and in particular Adolph Deutsch's superb arrangements, not to mention his adroit conducting. I was always a fan of Anscocolor, despite others having a less than high opinion of this tri-pack film process. It's put to great use in this film. J Steven Lasher.

    I want this movie…………NOW

  95. Mark VH

    Has it? I'm not so sure. This is a really fascinating time to be releasing this film, and at the very least I'd think we can all be mature enough to have a reasonable discussion about the movie's "problematic" content (by today's standards, and using the preferred vernacular of the moment) while also celebrating the fact that Warners have seen fit to release it despite possible objections. In fact, I'd contend that this is one of the reasons why the movie should be released – so we can discuss its relative merits as a movie (it remains one of my two or three all-time favorite musicals) within a historical context while also acknowledging that it could never be made today. To the commenter who mentioned their film studies professor declining to show it out of concern for offending people, I'd say that a good film studies professor should have screened the film then encouraged a discussion around the film's history and contextualizing the things that might be considered offensive.

    Regarding Gigi, I'll admit that I've never really loved the movie in part due to the ickiness factor – a perfectly reasonable objection to have if that's one's reaction – and in part because I've always found it somewhat stodgy (as I find a lot of Minnelli's movies). But I also recognize it's a well-loved classic and that any issues with the content should in no way stand in the way of its being restored, released and widely screened – in fact, these issues are one of the reasons why it should be shown. If you're going to start declining to show classic movies because their content doesn't fit our modern standards of cultural acceptance – brother, you're not going to have a lot of classics to choose from.

    I'm celebrating Seven Brides' restoration today because I dearly love the film while I'm also acknowledging that it's a film that could not be made in our current climate and that that may or may not be a good thing. Even yesterday when I posted my joy at the movie being released on Facebook I had someone who by NO means is either a cinephile or a champion of political correctness (in fact he's usually antagonistic toward it) comment on how it's a great movie but also "a bit strange." I seriously doubt this had anything to do with TCM declining to screen the restoration at the festival (it's still shown frequently on the channel and, I imagine, garners pretty steady viewership). Either way, I'm glad we're getting it and can't wait to click the "order" button.

    I agree. SBFSB is one of my all-time favorite musicals. Been hoping for this release for a long time. AND cinema is a reflection of and a commentary on our society, our culture. I think the growth that is happening in our country right now in terms of awareness of misogyny and patriarchy is essential. It's not gonna be an easy road, and there will be both appropriate and inappropriate, healthy and unhealthy responses to it, but it's long past due, in my opinion. I think it's our job as lovers of cinema to help people see the deep artistic and social value of cinema. Even in its day, SBFSB wasn't a film condoning kidnapping and forced marriage. It was well aware of its own "backwards" story-line and mined a lot of humor in that. Is it also a film that will trigger some people, push some buttons. Of course! But that's not a bad thing. Cinema has been doing that since day 1. As Mark VH said, we can have "a reasonable discussion about the movie's "problematic" content (by today's standards, and using the preferred vernacular of the moment) while also celebrating the fact that Warners have seen fit to release it." Sensitivity around lifetimes of oppression and destructive narratives are not inappropriate. They're a necessary part of growth, healing, evolution. I still stand behind BIRTH OF A NATION as an amazing piece of cinema. AND I also find it disturbing in ways it was not intended to be. And I certainly understand it being a massive trigger for many for whom the messages of the film helped perpetuate violent oppression on a mass scale. AND it's a film that should be shown, seen, discussed, and even celebrated for its technical and storytelling merits. Both can co-exist. My suggestion is not to berate, malign or even resent those who have lived with oppression and react to films that have perpetuated those destructive narratives. We also have an opportunity to present these films in a context in which they can also be appreciated and enjoyed. And not everyone will be ready to go down that path. But I still want to see a release of PORGY & BESS and SONG OF THE SOUTH, THE DEVILS, etc. Remember, we're all on a learning curve here. There is more than one appropriate reaction. It's keeping the discussion open and flowing that allows us to evolve and for these amazing works of art and entertainment to continue to have an important place in our lives, our culture, our society.

    One final note, I love GIGI. I love Minelli. This is a stunning film with amazing music, performances & cinematography. And, yes, it also perpetuates some narratives about men and women that have been destructive to many. A large percentage of films from that era have. Just as there are modern films today that continue to perpetuate destructive narratives that we are currently engaged in, blind to, or not ready to confront. What an amazing window into our cultural and social progression film is. Among so many other things.

  96. JohnMor

    Not a fan of this film really. It just never grabbed me, for whatever reason. But I’m thrilled to hear about the restoration. I will be buying the blu-ray day one to support Warners for their efforts. Perhaps in this new HD release it will finally carry me away the way it does so many others.

    And for what it’s worth, I love Gigi, especially the title tune! And who knows? Maybe soon there’ll be a push-back against the PC push-back and people will say we shouldn’t engage in “courtesan shaming.” ☺️

    Make no mistakes, I think "Gigi" is a fantastic film, as well.
    And despite my previous lampooning of the "Gigi" title tune, itself, I certainly have no interests in talking others into disliking any aspect(s) of something they do love. As I often say, if one loves a film in its entirety, then the other party should let one continue on within the happiness that each and every film provides. And this, my friends, is part of the glory of film.:)
    P.S. to WAC: Please restore "Gigi".

  97. Hal Masonberg

    My suggestion is not to berate, malign or even resent those who have lived with oppression and react to films that have perpetuated those destructive narratives. We also have an opportunity to present these films in a context in which they can also be appreciated and enjoyed. And not everyone will be ready to go down that path. But I still want to see a release of PORGY & BESS and SONG OF THE SOUTH, THE DEVILS, etc. Remember, we're all on a learning curve here. There is more than one appropriate reaction. It's keeping the discussion open and flowing that allows us to evolve and for these amazing works of art and entertainment to continue to have an important place in our lives, our culture, our society.

    We're on shaky ground here with regards to politics but I'd like to point out this is exactly the kind of response I respect most here at HTF.

    Acknowledge the content is problematic.
    Empathize with those who are affected by it.
    Note that the content can still have redeeming qualities despite the controversy, and in fact may be beloved by people who also recognize the inherent problems.
    Recognize that morals and standards change over time and that art is, by it's very nature a product of it's time of creation.

    That's how I view SOTS, which I've been vocal about. I've not seen Seven Brides yet but I will try to remedy that with a viewing of this disk.

  98. Hal Masonberg

    I agree. SBFSB is one of my all-time favorite musicals. Been hoping for this release for a long time. AND cinema is a reflection of and a commentary on our society, our culture. I think the growth that is happening in our country right now in terms of awareness of misogyny and patriarchy is essential. It's not gonna be an easy road, and there will be both appropriate and inappropriate, healthy and unhealthy responses to it, but it's long past due, in my opinion. I think it's our job as lovers of cinema to help people see the deep artistic and social value of cinema. Even in its day, SBFSB wasn't a film condoning kidnapping and forced marriage. It was well aware of its own "backwards" story-line and mined a lot of humor in that. Is it also a film that will trigger some people, push some buttons. Of course! But that's not a bad thing. Cinema has been doing that since day 1. As Mark VH said, we can have "a reasonable discussion about the movie's "problematic" content (by today's standards, and using the preferred vernacular of the moment) while also celebrating the fact that Warners have seen fit to release it." Sensitivity around lifetimes of oppression and destructive narratives are not inappropriate. They're a necessary part of growth, healing, evolution. I still stand behind BIRTH OF A NATION as an amazing piece of cinema. AND I also find it disturbing in ways it was not intended to be. And I certainly understand it being a massive trigger for many for whom the messages of the film helped perpetuate violent oppression on a mass scale. AND it's a film that should be shown, seen, discussed, and even celebrated for its technical and storytelling merits. Both can co-exist. My suggestion is not to berate, malign or even resent those who have lived with oppression and react to films that have perpetuated those destructive narratives. We also have an opportunity to present these films in a context in which they can also be appreciated and enjoyed. And not everyone will be ready to go down that path. But I still want to see a release of PORGY & BESS and SONG OF THE SOUTH, THE DEVILS, etc. Remember, we're all on a learning curve here. There is more than one appropriate reaction. It's keeping the discussion open and flowing that allows us to evolve and for these amazing works of art and entertainment to continue to have an important place in our lives, our culture, our society.

    One final note, I love GIGI. I love Minelli. This is a stunning film with amazing music, performances & cinematography. And, yes, it also perpetuates some narratives about men and women that have been destructive to many. A large percentage of films from that era have. Just as there are modern films today that continue to perpetuate destructive narratives that we are currently engaged in, blind to, or not ready to confront. What an amazing window into our cultural and social progression film is. Among so many other things.

    Agree with Sam's post above. Really well said.

  99. I have to admit that I'm not a big fan of the film and can easily think of several MGM musicals I would have chosen ahead of this film (an HD remaster of "Good News" would be heaven). However, I can appreciate the lengths that Warners went to in order to make this beloved film – one plagued with several technical problems – available with a beautiful remaster. While the film itself does not excite me, I may still buy a copy of this blu to support the Warner Archive. Now, if the WAC would only start releasing more pre-1940 films….

  100. There is another more appropriate way to view 7B than the analyses that are being presented here.

    [If you haven't seen it, this does contain spoilers. I am assuming this film is well-known.]

    7B is about how people should treat each other. Milly is the center of the film and the communicator of civilized and decent behaviour.

    Adam comes to town bragging that he is going to pick a bride in one day. He makes himself presentable, finds Milly, and proposes to her because he thinks she is strong and can cook and clean for his brood.

    For her part, Milly simply falls in love with him at first sight. The preacher warns her against a hasty marriage, but she is too smitten to listen. When she arrives at their house and finds out she has been deceived, she is justly mad at him. But she relents and behaves as his wife, again because she loves him.

    She decides to civilize them, makes them clean up and starts teaching them manners and explains how to treat people. Adam has been a terrible role model and teacher to his brothers, preferring to order people around and making fun of them instead of helping them improve.

    It then comes that they go to the barn raising. The brothers are on their best behaviour after Milly's help, but the townspeople–still smarting from Adam's audacious behaviour with Milly–treat them very badly. This proceeds to a competition, at the end of which the girls prefer the brothers to the town boys. [There is a clear city/country split here, which the film is telling us is an artificial separation.]

    Now of course comes Adam's stupid and dangerous kidnapping scheme. When they arrive back with the girls, and with the avalanche sealing them off for the winter, Milly is furious. She throws Adam out and the brothers have to sleep in the barn for the winter. Gradually, the brothers realize this was all wrong, and Adam, now about to be a father, realizes the terrible mistake he has made. The girls declare in song their growing love for the brothers (Stockholm syndrome?).

    Of course it all works out, with Adam having learned something about love and the brothers having become more civilized and kind.

    I have really never thought that this movie is seriously about kidnap or rape. At base, it is very wholesomely about people treating each other with consideration. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, if you will.

    We also have to remember that musicals have always allowed a certain fantasy element to creep in. That is part of their charm.

  101. Stephen_J_H

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

    Me too. i LOVE those. I have seen some good ones… one with MR. Harris on Vertigo (how long ago was that?), one on Wings, one on Snow White, among others. They are great fun and provide a really informative look at the way films have been treated (Metropolis), and the way we get them back to prestine condition.

    I wish every film had one; some films I am very curious as to how we got the image we have.

    One of my all-time favorite bonus features on any release.

  102. Stephen_J_H

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

    Me too. i LOVE those. I have seen some good ones… one with MR. Harris on Vertigo (how long ago was that?), one on Wings, one on Snow White, among others. They are great fun and provide a really informative look at the way films have been treated (Metropolis), and the way we get them back to prestine condition.

    I wish every film had one; some films I am very curious as to how we got the image we have.

    One of my all-time favorite bonus features on any release.

  103. Stephen_J_H

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

    Me too. i LOVE those. I have seen some good ones… one with MR. Harris on Vertigo (how long ago was that?), one on Wings, one on Snow White, among others. They are great fun and provide a really informative look at the way films have been treated (Metropolis), and the way we get them back to prestine condition.

    I wish every film had one; some films I am very curious as to how we got the image we have.

    One of my all-time favorite bonus features on any release.

  104. Stephen_J_H

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

    Me too. i LOVE those. I have seen some good ones… one with MR. Harris on Vertigo (how long ago was that?), one on Wings, one on Snow White, among others. They are great fun and provide a really informative look at the way films have been treated (Metropolis), and the way we get them back to prestine condition.

    I wish every film had one; some films I am very curious as to how we got the image we have.

  105. Stephen_J_H

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

    Me too. i LOVE those. I have seen some good ones… one with MR. Harris on Vertigo (how long ago was that?), one on Wings, one on Snow White, among others. They are great fun and provide a really informative look at the way films have been treated (Metropolis), and the way we get them back to prestine condition.

    I wish every film had one; some films I am very curious as to how we got the image we have.

  106. Stephen_J_H

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

    Me too. i LOVE those. I have seen some good ones… one with MR. Harris on Vertigo (how long ago was that?), one on Wings, one on Snow White, among others. They are great fun and provide a really informative look at the way films have been treated (Metropolis), and the way we get them back to prestine condition.

    I wish every film had one; some films I am very curious as to how we got the image we have.

  107. Stephen_J_H

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

    Me too. i LOVE those. I have seen some good ones… one with MR. Harris on Vertigo (how long ago was that?), one on Wings, one on Snow White, among others. They are great fun and provide a really informative look at the way films have been treated (Metropolis), and the way we get them back to prestine condition.

    I wish every film had one; some films I am very curious as to how we got the image we have.

  108. Stephen_J_H

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

    Me too. i LOVE those. I have seen some good ones… one with MR. Harris on Vertigo (how long ago was that?), one on Wings, one on Snow White, among others. They are great fun and provide a really informative look at the way films have been treated (Metropolis), and the way we get them back to prestine condition.

    I wish every film had one; some films I am very curious as to how we got the image we have.

  109. Stephen_J_H

    And this is why I enjoy restoration featurettes, when they are included as bonus features.

    Me too. i LOVE those. I have seen some good ones… one with MR. Harris on Vertigo (how long ago was that?), one on Wings, one on Snow White, among others. They are great fun and provide a really informative look at the way films have been treated (Metropolis), and the way we get them back to prestine condition.

    I wish every film had one; some films I am very curious as to how we got the image we have.

  110. I am very excited about this upcoming release, but I couldn't help feeling a little blue tonight when watching The Harvey Girls on DVD and wishing it was getting the WA Blu-ray treatment, too.

  111. Matt Hough

    I am very excited about this upcoming release, but I couldn't help feeling a little blue tonight when watching The Harvey Girls on DVD and wishing it was getting the WA Blu-ray treatment, too.

    I'd really like to see 'The Harvey Girls' on Blu too. Not only because it's a great film, but because of my interest in Historic Route 66 and anything and everything associated with the iconic highway. My wife and I (along with friends) have traveled the original Route 66 (about 80-85% of the original road still remains, the other 15-20% has been covered by the Interstate) from Chicago to LA three times since 2011. That included visits to several former Harvey Hotels. I just love the nostalgia of it all.

    So, Warner Archive, pretty please for 'The Harvey Girls'!

    Mark

  112. I find the 2 versions story fascinating. How was that done? One day (or days) they film a scene in scope and then the next day the same scene in flat? That would seem to be the only logical way. I sampled the beginning of the movie in both versions on DVD and I did think the scope performances were sharper. But that may vary from scene to scene as the movie goes on.

  113. Camper

    I find the 2 versions story fascinating. How was that done? One day (or days) they film a scene in scope and then the next day the same scene in flat? That would seem to be the only logical way. I sampled the beginning of the movie in both versions on DVD and I did think the scope performances were sharper. But that may vary from scene to scene as the movie goes on.

    You'd think doing them sequentially, one version right after the other, or as much as practically possible, would be more efficient. Unless the wider Cinemascope field of view required refiguring the sets. Interesting logistical challenge. Are there existing production records I wonder?

  114. I could be mistaken and would gladly defer to experts here, but I recall reading that they had two cameras on set, and that they would first do a version of the shot in scope, and after the director felt he got a good take, they would then shoot the flat version. So it sounded to me like they’d do one after the other on the same day.

  115. That's interesting. But some scenes have multiple camera setups and angles and also some scenes are fairly long in movies and aren't even filmed in a single day. It would be impressive if they could wheel in the other camera and set it up after every section of every scene. Maybe somebody out there knows for sure.

  116. revgen

    As Hitchcock used to say, "It's only a movie."

    And he was exactly right.

    rsmithjr

    Yes, but he's wrong, as all of us know here! 🙂

    Um, no he's not.
    Anyone offended by SBFSB is looking to be offended.
    If a 1954 MGM musical makes your neck hairs stand on end your priorities of things to care about need professional attention.
    Look most all musicals have 2 themes, Love and Love songs.
    If you're lucky there are other great scenes, dialog & songs that show the talent of the actors & make a simple Love Story interesting.

    SBFSB has some outstanding acrobatic choreography & dancing.
    Whenever Russ Tambyln is involved in a musical, there's memorable dancin'.

    Also the look of the film. Highly saturated colors of the Agfa VistaAnsco Color process.
    Obviously Robert knows exponentially more than I & hopefully will correct me, ASFAIK SBFSB was shot in Ansco Color in the Cinescope format whatever that entails for this film.
    I just know what I've seen on TCM and it looks like early Bonanza episodes only more so.

    Blind buy & I like about 4 musicals.

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