WARNER ARCHIVE – MORE QUALITY RELEASES PLEASE

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Warner – where are the many great MGM musicals still under lock and key for blu ray?
HIGH SOCIETY, SEVEN BRIDES, STUDENT PRINCE, ROSE MARIE – so many more. Why The Rounders? Why all the B grade schlock films that achieved neither critical nor box office success? And there are thousands more top MGM classics that remain locked away while second tier distributors continue to release.

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  1. Warner Archive has a very active presence on their Facebook page – if you reach out them directly there, they may be able to shed some light on why certain titles have come before others. In the past, I have found them to be very forthcoming in their explanations when asked politely.

    It generally comes down to a matter of budget and availability of elements, along with Warner's internal policies for standards. Warner currently has a policy of perfection or nothing – they won't release anything that's not absolutely flawless. A lot of the titles they've put out are films that technically are in good condition and do not require extensive or expensive restoration work. They're able to take existing elements, create a new master, and issue it on disc without spending a lot of money to make that happen. They're also targeting films that they believe will sell well. A lot of catalogue titles do not sell huge numbers in 2018, but there are certain genres and titles that are exceptions to that rule, horror being one of them. So that's why, for instance, Green Slime is out on Blu-ray, but other titles aren't. Green Slime as a horror film will sell well for them, and didn't require a lot of effort to be ready to be released in the quality that Warner insists on.

  2. Here we go again! It's called diversity. If the Archives did nothing but peddle old Joan Crawford movies and MGM musicals, their profits would be dim indeed. So for every Brigadoon, we get a The Green Slime, for every Les Girls, we get a The Black Scorpion. Thumb your nose up at the slime and scorpions but they're paying for Brigadoon and Les Girls.

    And you know what? Some of us also have diverse tastes in film. We like both Brigadoon and The Green Slime. They're not mutually exclusive.

  3. M90GM

    Warner – where are the many great MGM musicals still under lock and key for blu ray?
    HIGH SOCIETY, SEVEN BRIDES, STUDENT PRINCE, ROSE MARIE – so many more. Why The Rounders? Why all the B grade schlock films that achieved neither critical nor box office success? And there are thousands more top MGM classics that remain locked away while second tier distributors continue to releas

    Is this some kind of joke? You've been a member since October 2009. Have you not seen over the years the large number of posts making exactly the same point you've just made and the various explanations why these titles have not been released?

  4. RICK BOND

    They should do a Vote. Ask the movie fans what would they like to see released on Bluray. The 1930's 1940's 1950's 1960's and 1970's. Fox did this a few years ago.

    Yeah, an experiment never repeated. Why? I suspect it's because the movies that the "fans" voted for didn't sell as well as they expected. It's been my experience that "fans" love to make lists of all the films they "want" but when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is, sometimes it's another story.

    Frankly, I think the Warner Archives should start a "fund me" page where the "fans" donate to the restoration fund for the films they want on blu ray. Warners funds 50% and the "fans" fund the other 50%. That way everyone's happy. Warners reduces their losses and "fans" get the movies they want. But don't be surprised if Teenagers From Outer Space and The Frozen Dead get funded faster than The Student Prince and Rose Marie.

  5. RICK BOND

    They should do a Vote. Ask the movie fans what would they like to see released on Bluray. The 1930's 1940's 1950's 1960's and 1970's. Fox did this a few years ago.

    So did Warner Bros. Archives.

  6. How many times have we seen an announcement made for a long awaited classic title, only to be followed by series of posts stating that the author will wait for a sale before purchasing? How many times is the announcement greeted with comments expression disappointment about a lack of new bonus features, or saying that the old DVD version is good enough? It's human nature to say you want something that's not available, and then to show less urgency when it becomes available. I'm not trying to suggest we're bad people for that, but it can hurt the studio or label putting that disc out, that really had been counting on every "I'd buy that on Day One if it was available" turning into an actual sale.

    For better or worse, horror catalog titles on disc still sell. (Same for fantasy and sci-do.) It's perhaps the most reliable genre for catalog sales. And, speaking generally, horror fans aren't waiting for sales when these titles get released, they're buying those discs right away and at or near full price.

    I'm as guilty as the next guy. A couple years ago, I did a project here where I watched all 72 of Cary Grant's films. Only a small number of them have been released on Blu-ray. I said then that I'd buy any Grant movie on Blu immediately on release. While I still aspire to do that, I realize there is a little bit of hyperbole in that statement. I already own all of his movies on DVD. There are probably a dozen I didn't care for. Am I really going to run out instantly and buy 72 Blu-rays at full price if they came out tomorrow? Probably not. Can't afford to do it all at once, and would have to question whether or not I'd even rewatch them all. But I'd definitely vote for them if someone asked what I'd buy on Blu. And I'd probably get a small handful immediately, some more over the long run, and who knows about the rest. I don't think I was intentionally lying when I posted that I'd buy them all on Blu. It's just that the heart wrote that statement, and then the head came by for a quick discussion on frugality and practicality.

    But a company like Warner Archive, they know what's selling and what's not. They know which titles they've had to order second and third printings for, and which ones are struggling to sell even the first batch. They know that releases from one genre generate X amount of revenue, while releases from a different genre generate Y amount. And if it's going to cost more to remaster that title to meet their very high disc standards than it could reasonably be expected to make, that's just not something they're doing right now.

    None of that takes away from my disappointment when something I want isn't available. But I get that that's where the business is at these days. I'm not sure if Warner is being noble in saying "perfection, or nothing at all" while a studio like MGM/UA says, "if someone wants to buy it, we'll gladly sell it to them in whatever condition it's in." I'm not sure there is a right answer.

  7. trajan007

    Where is the love for GOODBYE MR CHIPS and LOCAL HERO?

    I think Local Hero is hitting FilmStruck next month, which may mean something's in the works. 35th anniversary and all that, let's hope.

    No complaints about the Archive and Archive Blus (and no desire to relitigate the Great MOD Wars here–just glad one of these programs still exists in active form, missing the MIA.) Happy to welcome The Black Scorpion and, soon, Dark of the Sun into my Blu collection.

  8. RICK BOND

    They should do a Vote. Ask the movie fans what would they like to see released on Bluray. The 1930's 1940's 1950's 1960's and 1970's. Fox did this a few years ago.

    Yeah, & then they stopped releasing stuff! But at least they license titles out. There's a few very non-classics that I'd like Warner to release, but if they don't, well that's life, but when I think of all the genuine classic films that most likely won't see the light of day on Blu-ray I despair (& that's including titles that would never be on any of my lists). Anyway, my last Warner moan, I promise. From now on I'll just buy the titles I fancy & not buy the others.

  9. Josh Steinberg

    I'm not sure if Warner is being noble in saying "perfection, or nothing at all" while a studio like MGM/UA says, "if someone wants to buy it, we'll gladly sell it to them in whatever condition it's in." I'm not sure there is a right answer.

    Josh I think you've hit on all the key points beautifully here. George Feltenstein and his team at Warner Archive have been the best of the bunch, Alas, catalog product direct from all the major studios has slowed to a relative trickle. Thank heavens for the indie labels like Olive, TT and especially Kino.

    I suppose I'm that rare bird around these parts who feels the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. I'm pining for a 3D blu of Phantom of the Rue Morgue but Warner doesn't seem to want to budge. Apparently they didn't make sufficient profit off their prior classic 3D blus because they insist on doing all the work — quite expensively — in house, likely due to a combination of quality-control and security concerns. I've suggested the team from 3D Film Archive should offer to let Warner outfit them with electronic ankle bracelets if that's what it takes to allow them on to the lot to get the job done properly and profitably. :):3dglasses:

  10. Camps

    I'm pining for a 3D blu of Phantom of the Rue Morgue but Warner doesn't seem to want to budge.

    Now that it seems to be taking baby steps with Shout! Factory, perhaps the studio would reconsider a license for it.

  11. Dick

    Now that it seems to be taking baby steps with Shout! Factory, perhaps the studio would reconsider a license for it.

    Good point and you've also reminded me I absentmindedly excluded Shout/Scream from my above list of indie labels deserving of kudos.

  12. Camps

    Josh I think you've hit on all the key points beautifully here. George Feltenstein and his team at Warner Archive have been the best of the bunch, Alas, catalog product direct from all the major studios has slowed to a relative trickle. Thank heavens for the indie labels like Olive, TT and especially Kino.

    I suppose I'm that rare bird around these parts who feels the perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good. I'm pining for a 3D blu of Phantom of the Rue Morgue but Warner doesn't seem to want to budge. Apparently they didn't make sufficient profit off their prior classic 3D blus because they insist on doing all the work — quite expensively — in house, likely due to a combination of quality-control and security concerns. I've suggested the team from 3D Film Archive should offer to let Warner outfit them with electronic ankle bracelets if that's what it takes to allow them on to the lot to get the job done properly and profitably. :):3dglasses:

    I agree with the sentiments about the perfect not being the enemy of the good. This is probably why I am buying more titles from Kino than the rest of the distributors put together.

  13. I'm very much with you on the "not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good" train as well.

    On the one hand, there's no excuse for classics like Casablanca and The Wizard Of Oz being given anything less than top of the line treatment – and those titles do indeed receive top notch treatment.

    But for the rarer, the more obscure, the less in demand by a wide audience, where a product of reasonably good quality that's 90% of perfection could be completed for a minimal expense on their part, my preference would probably be to go with that. Because Warner is sitting on far more titles than they'll ever be able to release, especially if it's only four titles per month.

  14. I'm impressed with the titles that have been released (as well as the quality). I'm really eager for Dark of the Sun and Colossus of Rhodes. The Hanging Tree, Battleground, Gumball Rally (some of their more recent releases) were very impressive.

  15. Personally, I have been disappointed with WAC's blu-ray output. That's not to say that WAC hasn't been doing good work and putting out good films. It has. That is very difficult to deny. I've been happy to add "The Great Race," "42nd Street," "Yankee Doodle Dandy," "The Wheeler-Dealers," and "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" to my collection. Sure, WAC has released films I have little to no interest in, but since when am I the arbiter of good taste in movies? Any child knows that the sandbox needs to be shared. My dissatisfaction stems from my biases. Most of the films I watch and enjoy are from before 1940, and WAC hasn't been all that active to date in releasing films from that era on blu-ray. In the five or six years that WAC has been releasing blu-rays, only one pre-1940 title has been deemed worthy of release? Really? Month after month I've been hoping to see the floodgates to open, but I just find myself disappointed in that regard. Again, I'm not saying WAC shouldn't be releasing what it has been putting out. If the horror titles sell so well, keep putting them out, but let's see an occasional 1930s (or even 1920s) title among the horror titles. Errol Flynn, Clark Gable, William Powell, Myrna Loy, etc. all need to have far better representation of their MGM/WB films on blu. Where are the more high profile silents – The Cameraman, Spite Marriage, Ben-Hur (in true HD), Greed, The Wind, The Crowd, etc. I get that most of the pre-1940 films aren't reasonable candidates for one reason or another. I'm not expecting to see the complete Wheeler and Woolsey on blu, but I'd like to think that "A Night at the Opera" and "A Day at the Races" can be expected at some point. If 2018 is going to represent some high water mark, then I hope to see more love shown to some of the older catalog titles.

  16. Arthur – I think one of the reasons that we haven't gotten the Marx Brothers movies that Warner owns is that Night At The Opera and Day At The Races are in rougher shape than the studio considers acceptable for a Blu-ray release. The expense to bring them up to where Warner would want them to be is probably higher than a Warner Archive title typically grosses. It could also be caught in a tug-of-war with the main division of the home video label. It's possible that it could be a scenario where the regular Warner Home Video doesn't want to put it out right now because catalog sales are down, but don't want to relinquish it either because they're prestigious titles. So it may be something that Warner Archive wants but doesn't have access to. There are a lot of titles across all the major studios that are in that kind of limbo, where either a smaller internal division or a smaller third party would love to release a title that the studio isn't acting on, but the studio doesn't want to let it go because they don't want someone else to have a hit with it either.

    In participating in this thread, I was thinking about the Warner Archive titles I purchased last year. Honestly, "The Rounders" is one of my favorite finds – it was a blind buy and I ended up watching it again only a day or so after I watched it the first time. I can recognize objectively speaking that it's not Casablanca or Gone With The Wind, but I was absolutely delighted from start to finish.

  17. Josh Steinberg

    Arthur – I think one of the reasons that we haven't gotten the Marx Brothers movies that Warner owns is that Night At The Opera and Day At The Races are in rougher shape than the studio considers acceptable for a Blu-ray release. The expense to bring them up to where Warner would want them to be is probably higher than a Warner Archive title typically grosses. It could also be caught in a tug-of-war with the main division of the home video label. It's possible that it could be a scenario where the regular Warner Home Video doesn't want to put it out right now because catalog sales are down, but don't want to relinquish it either because they're prestigious titles. So it may be something that Warner Archive wants but doesn't have access to. There are a lot of titles across all the major studios that are in that kind of limbo, where either a smaller internal division or a smaller third party would love to release a title that the studio isn't acting on, but the studio doesn't want to let it go because they don't want someone else to have a hit with it either.

    In participating in this thread, I was thinking about the Warner Archive titles I purchased last year. Honestly, "The Rounders" is one of my favorite finds – it was a blind buy and I ended up watching it again only a day or so after I watched it the first time. I can recognize objectively speaking that it's not Casablanca or Gone With The Wind, but I was absolutely delighted from start to finish.

    What I also wonder, with A Night At The Opera, is whether they are hoping to pull off a similar miracle with that film that they did with The Sea Wolf and that Universal did with Animal Crackers, and restore any cut footage (if it still exists at this point).

  18. Josh Steinberg

    It's possible that it could be a scenario where the regular Warner Home Video doesn't want to put it out right now because catalog sales are down, but don't want to relinquish it either because they're prestigious titles. So it may be something that Warner Archive wants but doesn't have access to. There are a lot of titles across all the major studios that are in that kind of limbo, where either a smaller internal division or a smaller third party would love to release a title that the studio isn't acting on, but the studio doesn't want to let it go because they don't want someone else to have a hit with it either. .

    Is this really an issue, though?

    Is WHV still even in the catalog business? They haven’t released a title in two and a half years.

    Based on what we’ve seen, I just assumed that ALL catalog titles fell under WAC domain now.

  19. Thomas T

    Frankly, I think the Warner Archives should start a "fund me" page where the "fans" donate to the restoration fund for the films they want on blu ray.

    And how about we "fans" ask Warner Archive to release classics ALREADY RESTORED in 35mm by Kevin Brownlow and Photoplay Productions. Still, what a terrible burden to have to scan them I guess. I've seen these on the big screen and they look fabulous. Brownlow spoke before a Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse event a few years ago. When asked whether WB would be releasing any of these he said that sadly there was "no interest" in doing this from the WB brass. Guess that's all we really need to know about that.
    Still, they're releasing Colossus of Rhodes (which is my Green Slime) soon, so some things are definitely improving,

  20. Astairefan

    What I also wonder, with A Night At The Opera, is whether they are hoping to pull off a similar miracle with that film that they did with The Sea Wolf and that Universal did with Animal Crackers, and restore any cut footage (if it still exists at this point).

    I have seen an HD master of A NIGHT AT THE OPERA, and to my eyes it is a quality presentation. But WB may consider it okay for streaming but not for Blu-ray.

  21. The streaming version in HD is the same master used to create the DVD. It's certainly watchable and I'm happy to have it, but it's not perfect, and as we all know, Warner's policy for discs is now "perfection, or nothing at all".

  22. How come there aren't more people asking for Friendly Persuasion on Blu-ray from Warner Archive?

    I watched the DVD of it tonight, and it's such a lovely film with wonderful performances, a tender, funny, and heartwarming story, and superb William Wyler direction. The DVD transfer certainly needs work with debris and dirt and some damage, but it's not too far gone, and the color isn't terrible.

  23. Josh Steinberg

    Arthur – I think one of the reasons that we haven't gotten the Marx Brothers movies that Warner owns is that Night At The Opera and Day At The Races are in rougher shape than the studio considers acceptable for a Blu-ray release.

    I have seen a very decent HD master of NIGHT AT THE OPERA. As for A DAY AT THE RACES, the elements might be in rougher shape. Plus you have what amounts to an elaborate picaninny musical number that kind of interrupts the flow of the film and leaves a bad taste in my mouth (and I am no supporter of censorship…but this sequence just happens to be about twenty times as offensive to my eyes as anything in SONG OF THE SOUTH). Warner Bros. has been known to censor stuff that is politically incorrect…. Tom and Jerry, anyone? But, those were the times, and these crude efforts to erase or rewrite history should be considered yet another threat to democracy.

  24. Josh Steinberg

    Arthur – I think one of the reasons that we haven't gotten the Marx Brothers movies that Warner owns is that Night At The Opera and Day At The Races are in rougher shape than the studio considers acceptable for a Blu-ray release.

    I have seen a very decent HD master of NIGHT AT THE OPERA. As for A DAY AT THE RACES, the elements might be in rougher shape. Plus you have what amounts to an elaborate picaninny musical number that kind of interrupts the flow of the film and leaves a bad taste in my mouth (and I am no supporter of censorship…but this sequence just happens to be about twenty times as offensive to my eyes as anything in SONG OF THE SOUTH). Warner Bros. has been known to censor stuff that is politically incorrect…. Tom and Jerry, anyone? But, those were the times, and these crude efforts to erase or rewrite history should be considered yet another threat to democracy.

  25. RICK BOND

    If Warner's policy is Perfection. Then what's the problem with … Day's of Wine and Roses ? The dvd is in Excellent condition. ??? It should be released. Also many others I could name.

    There is speculation that Days of Wine and Roses is with Criterion.

  26. RICK BOND

    If Warner's policy is Perfection. Then what's the problem with … Day's of Wine and Roses ? The dvd is in Excellent condition. ??? It should be released. Also many others I could name.

    There is speculation that Days of Wine and Roses is with Criterion.

  27. Matt Hough

    How come there aren't more people asking for Friendly Persuasion on Blu-ray from Warner Archive?

    I watched the DVD of it tonight, and it's such a lovely film with wonderful performances, a tender, funny, and heartwarming story, and superb William Wyler direction. The DVD transfer certainly needs work with debris and dirt and some damage, but it's not too far gone, and the color isn't terrible.

    I don't do lists and I don't presume to tell Warner Archive which films to release on Blu-ray disc. But I love Friendly Persuasion – and Dimitri Tiomkin's romantic main melody – and I'd pre-order a Blu-ray disc, particularly one from Warner Archive.

  28. Those MGM Tom & Jerrys were censored for TV by MGM. Warner Bros did not have the archive then. Other MGM cartoons were also censored. I have no idea if Warners have uncensored copies of these cartoons. The nitrate originals and other MGM nitrate cartoons were said to be lost in a fire there in the 1960s, I think. The Lon Chaney London After Midnight materials are said to have been burnt at this time along with the only MGM Greta Garbo silent not existing today(The Divine Woman, 1928. About 7-10mins does and has been used as an extra on discs).

    Remember too, that WB issued sets of Warner Bros Looney Tunes/ merrie Melodies uncut with a Whoopi Goldberg introduction explaining why they were issued uncut on those sets.

  29. Billy Batson

    Yeah, & then they stopped releasing stuff! But at least they license titles out. There's a few very non-classics that I'd like Warner to release, but if they don't, well that's life, but when I think of all the genuine classic films that most likely won't see the light of day on Blu-ray I despair (& that's including titles that would never be on any of my lists). Anyway, my last Warner moan, I promise. From now on I'll just buy the titles I fancy & not buy the others.

    And if you notice what they are licensing to Shout Factory it is more grade b "schlock" because Shout factory also knows what sells.

  30. 1. Warner, like most studios, seems to be piggy-backing their Blu-ray releases with the studio's ongoing program of transferring their back catalogue to theatrical DCP format for future theatrical use. Thus, the theatrical division's decisions on what to restore and convert to dcp may be affecting Home Video's choices.

    2. Home Video has been around for over 30 years now and Warner has released a huge portion of their back catalogue on at least three different formats before Blu-ray over the years. I would assume they know what they're doing based on sales figures for their titles over the years.

  31. Ken Koc

    I took a look at LOCAL HERO on Filmstruck last night. It is in SD and has the same PQ as the DVD. 🙁

    Come on, Criterion. Bill Forsyth Blu-Ray box set: "Gregory's Girl", "Local Hero", "Comfort And Joy", and "Housekeeping". You may add "That Sinking Feeling" at your discretion. Nothing to it! You may use my idea for free.

  32. For all the titles not released I find that there are plenty of available others still to catch up on.
    Of course those captures come from Twilight Time, Criterion and Kino Lorber.
    WAC will distribute – like all others – what they will; and, likewise, I will pick and choose from my own interests, as well.
    Good luck to both sides, I say; but in the end, my library of BD's has a larger percentage from those aforementioned competitors.

  33. Ken Koc

    I took a look at LOCAL HERO on Filmstruck last night. It is in SD and has the same PQ as the DVD. 🙁

    There is a decent looking HD transfer of Local Hero out there somewhere, but I can't remember where I saw it.

  34. Well, obviously somebody at Universal cares enough to lease out a bevy of Ernst Lubisch titles to Elephant Films in France. Coming soon are Bluebeard's Eighth Wife, If I Had a Million, One Hour With You and Design For Living (already a BD from Criterion). This follows their fine group of HD Doug Sirk and Powell-Pressburger titles. I would suppose that WB has to upgrade most titles it wants to make available for streaming to 4K in order to make use of the new standard in HDTVs. Perhaps, if we're lucky, they might make some masters available to foreign sources since a market for our classics seems to still exist in places like France and Germany, especially for director-centric collectors. For myself, if Helen of Troy made it into a Robert Wise group, Land of the Pharaohs made it into a Howard Hawks group or Julius Caesar made it into a Joseph L. Mankiewicz group I'd be ecstatic. Just maybe our classics can be enjoyed from afar by those able or intelligent enough to appreciate them. Just wish Elephant Films would consider Mitch Leisen or C.B. DeMille, although the latter's Cleopatra blu-ray will be released by Universal USA next week.

  35. Ed Lachmann

    Well, obviously somebody at Universal cares enough to lease out a bevy of Ernst Lubisch titles to Elephant Films in France. Coming soon are Bluebeard's Eighth Wife, If I Had a Million, One Hour With You and Design For Living (already a BD from Criterion). This follows their fine group of HD Doug Sirk and Powell-Pressburger titles. I would suppose that WB has to upgrade most titles it wants to make available for streaming to 4K in order to make use of the new standard in HDTVs. Perhaps, if we're lucky, they might make some masters available to foreign sources since a market for our classics seems to still exist in places like France and Germany, especially for director-centric collectors. For myself, if Helen of Troy made it into a Robert Wise group, Land of the Pharaohs made it into a Howard Hawks group or Julius Caesar made it into a Joseph L. Mankiewicz group I'd be ecstatic. Just maybe our classics can be enjoyed from afar by those able or intelligent enough to appreciate them. Just wish Elephant Films would consider Mitch Leisen or C.B. DeMille, although the latter's Cleopatra blu-ray will be released by Universal USA next week.

    Wow! If I Had A Million. Finally, W.C. Fields on Blu-ray!

  36. Sadsack

    Is there an interactive Warner Archive blog anywhere else besides Facebook? Like the KINO LORBER INSIDER thread here on hometheater? I'm not joining FB just to ask a question.

    Nope but they also answer questions on Twitter.

  37. If you think you have complaints now, then you should start being very afraid if AT&T gets hold of Warner because I can practically guarantee you that they’ll be looking for expenses to cut to pay for the acquisition and please shareholders and I could well see Warner Archive and even non-commercial TCM disappearing. And if the merger doesn’t go through, it’s said that the studio will be sold anyway and if it’s sold to a company who cares only about $$$ and not legacy, there could also be a problem as they shift to primarily market recent films that make the big $$$.

  38. zoetmb

    If you think you have complaints now, then you should start being very afraid if AT&T gets hold of Warner because I can practically guarantee you that they'll be looking for expenses to cut to pay for the acquisition and please shareholders and I could well see Warner Archive and even non-commercial TCM disappearing. And if the merger doesn't go through, it's said that the studio will be sold anyway and if it's sold to a company who cares only about $$$ and not legacy, there could also be a problem as they shift to primarily market recent films that make the big $$$.

    Well, this is very disturbing! :unsure:

    Hopefully, things don't go as said!

    CHEERS! 🙂

  39. Warner are releasing a strange mix of M-G-M titles to blu ray – musical classics like Seven brides for Seven brothers with Les Girls with Colossus of Rhodes? Never so Few? These were neither box office nor critical successes so I guess they believe there is a market out there waiting to discover these titles. Home from the Hill and Naked and the Dead are now in release but Night Moves….Hell on Frisco Bay …on Blu Ray …ahead of hundreds of bigger more popular critically acclaimed M-G-M titles that are begging for a blu ray upgrade lie idle in the Warner tank with second tier sellers continuing to release failed and B grad pics at a premium price. I will never understand how the market works, or, how the decision makers think….does anyone want Interrupted Melody, Student Prince, Green Fire, Mogambo, Rose Marie, Something of Value and older Waterloo Bridge, Gaslight, Maytime, Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde, Blossoms in the Dust, Valley of Decision, Test Pilot, Boom Town …..and so on …

    But we get from the second tier companies Awful Dr Orloff, Canadian Pacific, Ambush at Cimarron Pass, Captain Fabian, Rapid Fire, April Love, Five Steps to Danger, Crime of Passion . . . .

  40. trajan007

    GOODBYE MR CHIPS—PENNIES FROM HEAVEN—-THE BUTCHER BOY—LOCAL HERO—-THE SHELTERING SKY—-WHOS LIFE IS IT ANYWAY?—UP THE DOWN STAIRCASE—WRESTLING ERNEST HEMINGWAY.

    Ditto on "Goodbye Mr. Chips" (both versions).
    Fine with the rest mentioned, but these two demand a BD release. A wealth of 1939 titles are now already available on BD, so why not this key titile that won Robert Donat the Oscar for Best Actor? The 1969 version also has many attributes, including this being one of the 8 Best Actor nominations for Peter O' Toole.

  41. I really wish WB would retire the decades-old, color manipulated standard def transfers from UCLA dupe elements; go back to the surviving 35mm nitrate originals and present MYSTERY OF THE WAX MUSEUM and DR. X in the original two-color (red/green) Technicolor.

    The versions recently broadcast on TCM are outdated, primitive transfers. These classic films deserve better.

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  42. Bob Furmanek

    I really wish WB would retire the decades-old, color manipulated standard def transfers from UCLA dupe elements; go back to the surviving 35mm nitrate originals and present MYSTERY OF THE WAX MUSEUM and DR. X in the original two-color (red/green) Technicolor.

    The versions recently broadcast on TCM are outdated, primitive transfers. These classic films deserve better.

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    both would be instant purchases, as much as i love the Price 3D version: well that little bit of precode naughtiness is just such a great film!

  43. Disappointing spate of offerings from WAC to Blu for Sept. beginning with Looker (1981) – a really disposable little nothing I saw once and can barely remember, except to say it was awful and forgettable. It only received a 29% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

    Warner is also using the excuse of Halloween – I presume – to trundle out The Cyclops (1957) – a thoroughly C grade bit of idiocy that barely attains 7% and The Swarm, that barely gets 13%. Frankly, its disgusting how little of the quality stuff is coming down their pike. For every Seven Brides for Seven Brothers we have to endure months of drivel like this.

    Queen of Outer Space is noted as a cult classic, but even it barely rates 18% from RT and only 23% from audience likes.

    I really would like to see the number of sales these titles are going to churn out, simultaneously cringing at the fact that while this stuff is coming to Blu we still have no Blu's of great films from the Warner catalog like Reversal of Fortune, National Velvet, Around the World in 80 Days, Marie Antoinette, and on and on – movies that are quality affairs and would make excellent Christmas offerings on Blu.

    Oh well, I'll be giving my wallet a rest as none of this stuff interests me. How about you?

  44. Yeah, nothing for me this month, but Warner is the only big studio who releases a batch of catalogue titles every month (well, not December), & you have to give them credit for that. If only Paramount released just one catalogue title every other month!

  45. Nick*Z

    Disappointing spate of offerings from WAC to Blu for Sept. beginning with Looker (1981) – a really disposable little nothing I saw once and can barely remember, except to say it was awful and forgettable. It only received a 29% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

    Warner is also using the excuse of Halloween – I presume – to trundle out The Cyclops (1957) – a thoroughly C grade bit of idiocy that barely attains 7% and The Swarm, that barely gets 13%. Frankly, its disgusting how little of the quality stuff is coming down their pike. For every Seven Brides for Seven Brothers we have to endure months of drivel like this.

    Queen of Outer Space is noted as a cult classic, but even it barely rates 18% from RT and only 23% from audience likes.

    I really would like to see the number of sales these titles are going to churn out, simultaneously cringing at the fact that while this stuff is coming to Blu we still have no Blu's of great films from the Warner catalog like Reversal of Fortune, National Velvet, Around the World in 80 Days, Marie Antoinette, and on and on – movies that are quality affairs and would make excellent Christmas offerings on Blu.

    Oh well, I'll be giving my wallet a rest as none of this stuff interests me. How about you?

    Disappointing for YOU but not for me.. Im all in for The Cyclops and Queen of Outer Space..
    Different strokes for different folks and you don't need to sound pretentious about their choice in titles
    Quality comes in different forms and genres

  46. Camps

    At the risk of being redundant (or whiny….):

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    In 3D or nothing, that is.

    Mr. Feltenstein, pleeeeze call Bob Furmanek. What can it hurt?

    Yes, really must have it in 3D. I have seen it plenty of times on television, but I've never seen it in 3D, its original format.

  47. Actually the sales for their 50's sci fi films are great. Look at how many they have released the past year and a half. They would not choose to release so many of them if they were not selling well. Unfortunately many classics that we want are just not going to sell big numbers anymore now that discs sales are declining at a rapid pace. Not to mention the high restoration cost needed for many of the classics we want. So its easy to see why Warner is not releasing them that fast. For the past several years 50's-80's cult horror and sci fi titles have been huge sellers and with sales down they are some of the very few titles that are still guaranteed to be decent to big sellers. We have to remember that studios are in business to make money and not to be a charity for classic film lovers.

  48. Will we see any Hammer Film titles this year WB ??? : ( …….. I wouldn't bet on it. …………Randy Korstick, how can I load a photo ? I love yours ! Hammer Fan for many years. Let me know please.

  49. RICK BOND

    Will we see any Hammer Film titles this year WB ??? : ( …….. I wouldn't bet on it. …………Randy Korstick, how can I load a photo ? I love yours ! Hammer Fan for many years. Let me know please.

    I reckon that if we do, they'll be in the next announcements, which are released over October.

  50. Ronald Epstein

    My wish is small and probably not one in demand: The Prisoner of Second Avenue

    I don't know about that, Ronald. True, this film doesn't strike me as one that is in demand, either.
    On the other hand, we're talking about Jack Lemmon, Anne Bancroft, Neil Simon and a fun scene that introduced us to Sylvester Stallone as a falsely accused mugger.
    Even when the film came out, it didn't seem to make a big splash;
    but it's pretty good fare that remains timely for those mid-lifers who are facing abrupt money and employment issues.
    Never knew why "The Prisoner of Second Avenue" didn't take off; be it then or now; but, on the other hand, this film has never disappeared, either. Even caught it on television a few months back and made an evening out of it.
    BOTTOM LINE: I'd buy a copy, too.

  51. PMF

    I don't know about that, Ronald. True, this film doesn't strike me as one that is in demand, either.
    On the other hand, we're talking about Jack Lemmon, Anne Bancroft, Neil Simon and a fun scene that introduced us to Sylvester Stallone as a falsely accused mugger.
    Even when the film came out, it didn't seem to make a big splash;
    but it's pretty good fare that remains timely for those mid-lifers who are facing abrupt money and employment issues.
    Never knew why "The Prisoner of Second Avenue" didn't take off; be it then or now; but, on the other hand, this film has never disappeared, either. Even caught it on television a few months back and made an evening out of it.
    BOTTOM LINE: I'd buy a copy, too.

    I think I’ve seen this one only once, years ago, but I always remembered it with fondness and with the desire to see it again. I’d welcome the chance to have a nice copy of it. These kinds of enjoyable films were such staples in those years.

  52. Randy Korstick

    Unfortunately many classics that we want are just not going to sell big numbers anymore now that discs sales are declining at a rapid pace. Not to mention the high restoration cost needed for many of the classics we want. So its easy to see why Warner is not releasing them that fast. For the past several years 50's-80's cult horror and sci fi titles have been huge sellers and with sales down they are some of the very few titles that are still guaranteed to be decent to big sellers. We have to remember that studios are in business to make money and not to be a charity for classic film lovers.

    Classic 3D movie sitting in vault + no blu-ray release = $0

    Classic 3D movie + economic restoration + blu-ray release = >$0

    Fairly simple math.

    If WB fears they may lose $$ trying it in-house then all they have to do is bring 3D Film Archive in for a consultation. If 3DFA deems it prohibitively expensive, Case Closed. If however 3DFA concludes it can handle it profitably for WB, it should be… Vaults Open!

  53. RICK BOND

    Will we see any Hammer Film titles this year WB ??? : ( …….. I wouldn't bet on it. …………Randy Korstick, how can I load a photo ? I love yours ! Hammer Fan for many years. Let me know please.

    Shout Factory supposedly has a couple or few Hammers from Warners but no announcements yet. Hard to tell if Warner will release any or not. They are hard to predict on Hammer titles they know the demand is there but they don't seem to be a priority for them for some reason.
    Its been a long time since I did my photo but go to your profile and then settings and then personal details. You can change or add a photo there.

  54. Camps

    Classic 3D movie sitting in vault + no blu-ray release = $0

    Classic 3D movie + economic restoration + blu-ray release = >$0

    Fairly simple math.

    If WB fears they may lose $$ trying it in-house then all they have to do is bring 3D Film Archive in for a consultation. If 3DFA deems it prohibitively expensive, Case Closed. If however 3DFA concludes it can handle it profitably for WB, it should be… Vaults Open!

    The problem with 3D titles now is that the TV's are not being sold anymore. Its Only projectors now. I was planning on my next TV being 3D but I can't get one now because they don't make them anymore and I don't have a suitable room for a projector. So the big studios understandably consider it a lost cause now. Universal seems to be the only exception. All other classic 3D films seem to becoming from small distributers like Kino and Shout. Since warner has started licensing to Shout they are probably the best hope for something like Phantom of the Rue Morgue in 3D.

  55. Randy Korstick

    Since warner has started licensing to Shout they are probably the best hope for something like Phantom of the Rue Morgue in 3D.

    Here's the problem, Randy: Shout would probably rely on WB to provide it with a finished 3D master before it could issue a 3D blu ray. This is the situation for Twilight Time's relationship with Sony/Columbia and Fox, for example. The studio calls the shots and if it doesn't provide the indie label a 3D master — or permit the indie label to work with an outside 3D-restoration expert — then no 3D blu ray.

    Kino's relationship with 3DFA is somewhat different — a partnership wherein open-minded rights-holders (i.e., Paramount) work with Kino and 3DFA to handle the necessary restoration in a cost-efficient fashion. WB, Columbia and Fox apparently have so far insisted on doing it all in-house or not at all. At least Columbia's been relatively productive (via TT) in recent years.

    But not talking to 3DFA is myopic. Just look at the successful track-record Universal has had with 3DFA and Paramount has had with Kino/3DFA.

    Now, if Shout were able to persuade WB to bring 3DFA into the picture….. 🙂

  56. Nick*Z

    Disappointing spate of offerings from WAC to Blu for Sept. beginning with Looker (1981) – a really disposable little nothing I saw once and can barely remember, except to say it was awful and forgettable. It only received a 29% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

    Warner is also using the excuse of Halloween – I presume – to trundle out The Cyclops (1957) – a thoroughly C grade bit of idiocy that barely attains 7% and The Swarm, that barely gets 13%. Frankly, its disgusting how little of the quality stuff is coming down their pike. For every Seven Brides for Seven Brothers we have to endure months of drivel like this.

    Queen of Outer Space is noted as a cult classic, but even it barely rates 18% from RT and only 23% from audience likes.

    I really would like to see the number of sales these titles are going to churn out, simultaneously cringing at the fact that while this stuff is coming to Blu we still have no Blu's of great films from the Warner catalog like Reversal of Fortune, National Velvet, Around the World in 80 Days, Marie Antoinette, and on and on – movies that are quality affairs and would make excellent Christmas offerings on Blu.

    Oh well, I'll be giving my wallet a rest as none of this stuff interests me. How about you?

    You should get on your knees in gratitude that Warners are releasing titles like Queen Of Outer Space, The Swarm and The Cyclops! It's titles like these whose profits will help provide the restoration money for the eventual release of something like High Society. That you still don't get it is a head scratcher.

    Personally, I'm picking up all three. So unfortunately my wallet doesn't get a rest.

  57. To Nick*Z. I agree with you about some of WAC's lackluster offerings;
    but will gladly endure months of it – each and every time – for a perfect restoration of a "7Bf7B".

    To Thomas T. Thank you for your donations and purchases, which is making restorations possible.

    To all of us. I've waited longer for "Ryan's Daughter" than anyone has for "High Society". So I come first.:lol:

  58. RICK BOND

    Will we see any Hammer Film titles this year WB ??? : ( …….. I wouldn't bet on it. …………Randy Korstick, how can I load a photo ? I love yours ! Hammer Fan for many years. Let me know please.

    I'll take that bet. They not only are overdue, but they fit the type of genre that actually sells on BD these days.

  59. Nick*Z

    Disappointing spate of offerings from WAC to Blu for Sept. beginning with Looker (1981) – a really disposable little nothing I saw once and can barely remember, except to say it was awful and forgettable. It only received a 29% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

    Warner is also using the excuse of Halloween – I presume – to trundle out The Cyclops (1957) – a thoroughly C grade bit of idiocy that barely attains 7% and The Swarm, that barely gets 13%. Frankly, its disgusting how little of the quality stuff is coming down their pike. For every Seven Brides for Seven Brothers we have to endure months of drivel like this.

    Queen of Outer Space is noted as a cult classic, but even it barely rates 18% from RT and only 23% from audience likes.

    I really would like to see the number of sales these titles are going to churn out, simultaneously cringing at the fact that while this stuff is coming to Blu we still have no Blu's of great films from the Warner catalog like Reversal of Fortune, National Velvet, Around the World in 80 Days, Marie Antoinette, and on and on – movies that are quality affairs and would make excellent Christmas offerings on Blu.

    Oh well, I'll be giving my wallet a rest as none of this stuff interests me. How about you?

    Warner's strange titles are inconsistent with box office or critical acclaim. Why go to BluRay with Wheeler Dealers? The Rounders? for example when they have a wealth of top MGM product . Mogambo has never had a proper quality upgrade yet appears in the Top 10 1953 Box Office list posted here…

  60. M90GM

    Warner's strange titles are inconsistent with box office or critical acclaim. Why go to BluRay with Wheeler Dealers? The Rounders? for example when they have a wealth of top MGM product . Mogambo has never had a proper quality upgrade yet appears in the Top 10 1953 Box Office list posted here…

    Surely you're familiar with the term "cult movie", films that didn't smash box office records or receive critical acclaim that have grown in stature due to the cult (small or otherwise) fanbase that have made certain films popular over the years. I assure you that both Queen Of Outer Space and The Swarm have developed cult followings. Fans of cult movies are more than eager to put their dollars down when they get blu ray releases. I'm assuming that both The Wheeler Dealers and The Rounders had pristine HD transfers that were ready to go with little if any restoration effort required so why not put them out there? I agree Mogambo could use an upgrade, the DVD was adequate nothing more. However, if the DVD is any indication, it's not ready for HD and requires, are you ready for this ….. extensive restoration! Hopefully, Warners can siphon off some of the profits from Queen Of Outer Space, The Swarm and The Cyclops away from High Society and give Mogambo some spit and polish. 🙂

  61. M90GM

    Warner's strange titles are inconsistent with box office or critical acclaim. Why go to BluRay with Wheeler Dealers? The Rounders? for example when they have a wealth of top MGM product . Mogambo has never had a proper quality upgrade yet appears in the Top 10 1953 Box Office list posted here…

    Mogambo is a Technicolor film as such it probably needs a lot of work for a proper Blu-ray release. Budgeting is always an important variable when it comes to Warner’s marketing strategy.

  62. Thomas T

    Surely you're familiar with the term "cult movie", films that didn't smash box office records or receive critical acclaim that have grown in stature due to the cult (small or otherwise) fanbase that have made certain films popular over the years. I assure you that both Queen Of Outer Space and The Swarm have developed cult followings. Fans of cult movies are more than eager to put their dollars down when they get blu ray releases. I'm assuming that both The Wheeler Dealers and The Rounders had pristine HD transfers that were ready to go with little if any restoration effort required so why not put them out there? I agree Mogambo could use an upgrade, the DVD was adequate nothing more. However, if the DVD is any indication, it's not ready for HD and requires, are you ready for this ….. extensive restoration! Hopefully, Warners can siphon off some of the profits from Queen Of Outer Space, The Swarm and The Cyclops away from High Society and give Mogambo some spit and polish. 🙂

    A quality film like LOCAL HERO or THE BUTCHER BOY also have their "cult" followers.

  63. Charles Smith

    I think I’ve seen this one only once, years ago, but I always remembered it with fondness and with the desire to see it again. I’d welcome the chance to have a nice copy of it. These kinds of enjoyable films were such staples in those years.

    RE: Prisoner of Second Avenue.

    I am positive that Warner will visit this title. First, it was released on DVD (I believe) shortly before the introduction of Blu-ray. Secondly, I sent to a request to the individual that has a say in these matters at Warner and was assured that they would be revisiting Neil Simon films. This was around the BD release of THE SUNSHINE BOYS. It's just a matter of "when."

  64. TheSteig

    Disappointing for YOU but not for me.. Im all in for The Cyclops and Queen of Outer Space..
    Different strokes for different folks and you don't need to sound pretentious about their choices in titles
    Quality comes in different forms and genres

    Well, yes – disappointing to me, which was the only opinion I was speaking for because I am qualified to do that. As for pretentious, I fail to see how quoting stats on Rotten Tomatoes is pretentious. It's factual. Period!

  65. Thomas T

    You should get on your knees in gratitude that Warners are releasing titles like Queen Of Outer Space, The Swarm and The Cyclops! It's titles like these whose profits will help provide the restoration money for the eventual release of something like High Society. That you still don't get it is a head scratcher.

    Personally, I'm picking up all three. So unfortunately my wallet doesn't get a rest.

    I never said I wasn't grateful for Warner's output of yore. I only said this month was disappointing for me. I AM entitled to that opinion. That it clashes with your own is fair. That you think I should keep mine to myself because it doesn't bode with yours, frankly, is not. You can voice yours as freely as I voice mine. It seems whenever I do this it ruffles your feathers – in some cases, severely. Not my intention, and I wish you'd simply keep it on a professional level.

    I would really like to see the numbers on the sales from stuff like Kismet, It Came From Hell, Deep in My Heart, Night School, Ice Pirates and others I've listed before. I want someone at WAC to point to the balance sheet and say, "Here…we made a million on 'The Hidden' but only .50 cents on Seven Brides for Seven Brothers." That you still cannot see how the bulk of Hollywood's big name legacy from the 30's, 40's and 50's is still MIA on Blu-ray is a real 'head scratcher' for me!

    Finally, I'm not asking WAC to throw every major picture of stature into the hopper this, or any other, year and bankrupt the studio. This year they funded Seven Brides, and what a winner it turned out to be. Stunning. And kudos. All I am asking for is that we get at least one mega deep catalog title afforded the same consideration each and every year from now on.

    Surely, if the studio is going to reap huge dividends this year on Queen of Outer Space, The Swarm and The Cyclops, then next year I think I am warranted in my expectations for one major film restoration of a golden oldie to follow it – any golden oldie: I am not exactly particular here. I would just like to see at least one catalog title we have all been clamoring for to finally get let out the gate.

    Ryan's Daughter? Around the World in 80 Days? High Society? I really don't care, as long as they are all in the mix and slated for a future release. WAC's silence on the matter is deafening. Instead, they leak the news of a major catalog release a month or so in advance. What would it cost them – figuratively speaking – to say to fans, 'High Society is one of the things we're working on, tentatively for 2019, 2020, or 2021. And don't think their marketing isn't that far-reaching, either. They know. I just think it is time they let the rest of us in on the secret.

    I remember back in the day, George Feltenstein commenting on being very perplexed at the runaway success of sales on Out of the Past on Blu-ray. Personally, I found that very amusing. Imagine, a vintage, bona fide classic doing well with contemporary audiences?!?!?

    PS – I don't get down on my knees for anybody.

  66. Nick*Z

    Ryan's Daughter? Around the World in 80 Days? High Society? I really don't care, as long as they are all in the mix and slated for a future release. WAC's silence on the matter is deafening. Instead, they leak the news of a major catalog release a month or so in advance. What would it cost them – figuratively speaking – to say to fans, 'High Society is one of the things we're working on, tentatively for 2019, 2020, or 2021. And don't think their marketing isn't that far-reaching, either. They know. I just think it is time they let the rest of us in on the secret.

    And what makes you so sure? Some stuff takes longer than others. From what I gather, we got Seven Brides due to their find of elements made before all the damage was done in the 70s (and who knows how long they were searching for something). Meanwhile, last year, when the German blu was announced on here, we were told that Warner was working on restoring the 1941 Sergeant York (and had already been working on it for a while at that time). That German blu announcement was in May 2017, and here we are, more than a year later, and we STILL haven't seen it released from WAC. I do assume they are still working on it, but some things take longer than others!

  67. trajan007

    A quality film like LOCAL HERO or THE BUTCHER BOY also have their "cult" followers.

    But a smaller cult. Personally, I loathed Local Hero but here's hoping you get your wish one day and soon.

  68. Nick*Z

    I never said I wasn't grateful for Warner's output of yore. I only said this month was disappointing for me. I AM entitled to that opinion. That it clashes with your own is fair. That you think I should keep mine to myself because it doesn't bode with yours, frankly, is not. You can voice yours as freely as I voice mine. It seems whenever I do this it ruffles your feathers – in some cases, severely. Not my intention, and I wish you'd simply keep it on a professional level.

    I would really like to see the numbers on the sales from stuff like Kismet, It Came From Hell, Deep in My Heart, Night School, Ice Pirates and others I've listed before. I want someone at WAC to point to the balance sheet and say, "Here…we made a million on 'The Hidden' but only .50 cents on Seven Brides for Seven Brothers." That you still cannot see how the bulk of Hollywood's big name legacy from the 30's, 40's and 50's is still MIA on Blu-ray is a real 'head scratcher' for me!

    Finally, I'm not asking WAC to throw every major picture of stature into the hopper this, or any other, year and bankrupt the studio. This year they funded Seven Brides, and what a winner it turned out to be. Stunning. And kudos. All I am asking for is that we get at least one mega deep catalog title afforded the same consideration each and every year from now on.

    Surely, if the studio is going to reap huge dividends this year on Queen of Outer Space, The Swarm and The Cyclops, then next year I think I am warranted in my expectations for one major film restoration of a golden oldie to follow it – any golden oldie: I am not exactly particular here. I would just like to see at least one catalog title we have all been clamoring for to finally get let out the gate.

    Ryan's Daughter? Around the World in 80 Days? High Society? I really don't care, as long as they are all in the mix and slated for a future release. WAC's silence on the matter is deafening. Instead, they leak the news of a major catalog release a month or so in advance. What would it cost them – figuratively speaking – to say to fans, 'High Society is one of the things we're working on, tentatively for 2019, 2020, or 2021. And don't think their marketing isn't that far-reaching, either. They know. I just think it is time they let the rest of us in on the secret.

    I remember back in the day, George Feltenstein commenting on being very perplexed at the runaway success of sales on Out of the Past on Blu-ray. Personally, I found that very amusing. Imagine, a vintage, bona fide classic doing well with contemporary audiences?!?!?

    PS – I don't get down on my knees for anybody.

    Oh you have every right to express your opinion, Nick. No one is denying you that. But if you insist on complaining about Warners output every three months or so, I (and anyone else) have a right to counter that with our pleasure at what Warner is putting out and rather than complaining about "lesser" titles (which also have their followers) express our complete understanding that these "lesser" titles are the titles that are driving the Archives blu ray program forward rather than stagnating with Joan Crawford movies. I'd love to see Ryan's Daughter and High Society (not so sure about the lethargic elephantine 80 Days) on blu ray too but I understand Warner's priorities in getting such highly anticipated titles right and if it takes time so be it. Do you want it done right or do you want it now? As 7 Brides For 7 Brothers has proven, all good things come to those who wait.

    I totally understand Warners reluctance to announce what long range plans they have regarding films they are working on. The constant barrage of "You said a planned for 2016 release, that was 2 years ago, where is it?" "Is it ready yet?" "Can't you just release what you've got until the restoration is ready?" "Why is it taking so long?" etc. Things happen that can delay (or expedite) a release and frankly, it's none of our business. It's an internal affair.

  69. I have been collecting the films on Blu-ray from a book called “500 Best American Movies to Buy Rent or Videotape” released by the National Board of Review in 1985. I am down to 177 movies left on the list. Half of those remaining are controlled by Warner Bros. Needless to say I am also anxiously waiting on their big name titles. (Magnificent Ambersons from Criterion is the next announced Warner title to come off the list. Spiral Staircase and The Glenn Miller Story from other studios have recently moved from the wish list to the on order list.)

  70. Thomas T

    I totally understand Warners reluctance to announce what long range plans they have regarding films they are working on. The constant barrage of "You said a planned for 2016 release, that was 2 years ago, where is it?" "Is it ready yet?" "Can't you just release what you've got until the restoration is ready?" "Why is it taking so long?" etc. Things happen that can delay (or expedite) a release and frankly, it's none of our business. It's an internal affair.

    Exactly. Sometimes, knowing too far ahead can be a problem, especially if stuff is delayed for some reason. I know everybody likes to keep bringing up Dark of the Sun, which WAC announced back in April (as what we all thought would be a May release), and WAC has confirmed it should still be coming, yet people still keep asking. And what of titles that can't come out? I can't help but think that Classicflix has made some people mad for some of the stuff they originally announced and haven't been able to deliver on (and won't be able to deliver on), due to elements or whatever the problem may have been, even if it isn't their fault that they can't release them.

  71. Nick*Z

    Well, yes – disappointing to me, which was the only opinion I was speaking for because I am qualified to do that. As for pretentious, I fail to see how quoting stats on Rotten Tomatoes is pretentious. It's factual. Period!

    Um, all three of those titles had less than 20 reviews and even RT had to put up a disclaimer "No consensus yet". Rotten Tomatoes is fine for new movies with tons of critics' data, but older, obscure movies don't have enough data to prove anything.

  72. Nick*Z

    Well, yes – disappointing to me, which was the only opinion I was speaking for because I am qualified to do that. As for pretentious, I fail to see how quoting stats on Rotten Tomatoes is pretentious. It's factual. Period!

    So what makes you qualified to sound like a pretentious entitlement person ? You made the post about how YOU feel , for all of US to read, and look at the backlash you got. Maybe keep your whiny opinions to yourself. And who cares what Rotten Tomatoes stats are ? WAC is not releasing titles for your approval or Rotten Tomatoes approval either. And that's factual. Period !
    SMH !

  73. I saw nothing pretentious about Nick*Z's posts at all. Criticism is not tantamount to disrespect. While I have yet to be disappointed with a single WAC Blu-Ray purchase (the DVDs are another story), it's easy to see why someone would be frustrated with the choices, schedule, and deafening silence.

  74. I saw nothing pretentious about Nick*Z's posts at all. Criticism is not tantamount to disrespect. While I have yet to be disappointed with a single WAC Blu-Ray purchase (the DVDs are another story), it's easy to see why someone would be frustrated with the choices, schedule, and deafening silence.

  75. M90GM

    Warner are releasing a strange mix of M-G-M titles to blu ray – musical classics like Seven brides for Seven brothers with Les Girls with Colossus of Rhodes? Never so Few? These were neither box office nor critical successes so I guess they believe there is a market out there waiting to discover these titles. Home from the Hill and Naked and the Dead are now in release but Night Moves….Hell on Frisco Bay …on Blu Ray …ahead of hundreds of bigger more popular critically acclaimed M-G-M titles that are begging for a blu ray upgrade lie idle in the Warner tank with second tier sellers continuing to release failed and B grad pics at a premium price. I will never understand how the market works, or, how the decision makers think….does anyone want Interrupted Melody, Student Prince, Green Fire, Mogambo, Rose Marie, Something of Value and older Waterloo Bridge, Gaslight, Maytime, Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde, Blossoms in the Dust, Valley of Decision, Test Pilot, Boom Town …..and so on …

    But we get from the second tier companies Awful Dr Orloff, Canadian Pacific, Ambush at Cimarron Pass,

    Captain Fabian, Rapid Fire, April Love, Five Steps to Danger, Crime of Passion . . . .

    If you check the WAC Mission statement you will understand their decisions. They are quite pragmatic.

  76. M90GM

    Warner are releasing a strange mix of M-G-M titles to blu ray – musical classics like Seven brides for Seven brothers with Les Girls with Colossus of Rhodes? Never so Few? These were neither box office nor critical successes so I guess they believe there is a market out there waiting to discover these titles. Home from the Hill and Naked and the Dead are now in release but Night Moves….Hell on Frisco Bay …on Blu Ray …ahead of hundreds of bigger more popular critically acclaimed M-G-M titles that are begging for a blu ray upgrade lie idle in the Warner tank with second tier sellers continuing to release failed and B grad pics at a premium price. I will never understand how the market works, or, how the decision makers think….does anyone want Interrupted Melody, Student Prince, Green Fire, Mogambo, Rose Marie, Something of Value and older Waterloo Bridge, Gaslight, Maytime, Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde, Blossoms in the Dust, Valley of Decision, Test Pilot, Boom Town …..and so on …

    But we get from the second tier companies Awful Dr Orloff, Canadian Pacific, Ambush at Cimarron Pass,

    Captain Fabian, Rapid Fire, April Love, Five Steps to Danger, Crime of Passion . . . .

    If you check the WAC Mission statement you will understand their decisions. They are quite pragmatic.

  77. ThadK

    I saw nothing pretentious about Nick*Z's posts at all. Criticism is not tantamount to disrespect. While I have yet to be disappointed with a single WAC Blu-Ray purchase (the DVDs are another story), it's easy to see why someone would be frustrated with the choices, schedule, and deafening silence.

    Well that's just you then. I saw it and others who "liked" my post felt the same way to some degree. Maybe we should all be thankful for what we do get every month, as opposed to getting nothing at all ?

  78. ThadK

    I saw nothing pretentious about Nick*Z's posts at all. Criticism is not tantamount to disrespect. While I have yet to be disappointed with a single WAC Blu-Ray purchase (the DVDs are another story), it's easy to see why someone would be frustrated with the choices, schedule, and deafening silence.

    Well that's just you then. I saw it and others who "liked" my post felt the same way to some degree. Maybe we should all be thankful for what we do get every month, as opposed to getting nothing at all ?

  79. There haven't been many pre-widescreen titles made available on Blu-Ray through the Archive program. That's a fairly valid criticism. For a library as vast as Warner's, of course not all of our personal favorites are going to be as front and center as we like. While there's always cost considerations, even so… given how many years we're into the Archive program, the net could be cast a little wider.

  80. There haven't been many pre-widescreen titles made available on Blu-Ray through the Archive program. That's a fairly valid criticism. For a library as vast as Warner's, of course not all of our personal favorites are going to be as front and center as we like. While there's always cost considerations, even so… given how many years we're into the Archive program, the net could be cast a little wider.

  81. There haven't been many pre-widescreen titles made available on Blu-Ray through the Archive program. That's a fairly valid criticism. For a library as vast as Warner's, of course not all of our personal favorites are going to be as front and center as we like. While there's always cost considerations, even so… given how many years we're into the Archive program, the net could be cast a little wider.

  82. My attitude is that I don't really care what they release. Only about 10% of mid-20th century titles are going to be to my taste anyway. So about 10% of the time, they get around to something I will consider buying. That's true for WB, Twilight Time,Shout–all these guys. So I'm not going to complain that 90% of all blu-rays coming out are "disappointing" to me or whatever. Those releases are for other people. WB takes care of me on occasion.

  83. My attitude is that I don't really care what they release. Only about 10% of mid-20th century titles are going to be to my taste anyway. So about 10% of the time, they get around to something I will consider buying. That's true for WB, Twilight Time,Shout–all these guys. So I'm not going to complain that 90% of all blu-rays coming out are "disappointing" to me or whatever. Those releases are for other people. WB takes care of me on occasion.

  84. My attitude is that I don't really care what they release. Only about 10% of mid-20th century titles are going to be to my taste anyway. So about 10% of the time, they get around to something I will consider buying. That's true for WB, Twilight Time,Shout–all these guys. So I'm not going to complain that 90% of all blu-rays coming out are "disappointing" to me or whatever. Those releases are for other people. WB takes care of me on occasion.

  85. Ethan Riley

    My attitude is that I don't really care what they release. Only about 10% of mid-20th century titles are going to be to my taste anyway. So about 10% of the time, they get around to something I will consider buying. That's true for WB, Twilight Time,Shout–all these guys. So I'm not going to complain that 90% of all blu-rays coming out are "disappointing" to me or whatever. Those releases are for other people. WB takes care of me on occasion.

    I wish more people had your attitude! I'm getting a bit fed-up with people sneering every time a film they don't like is released on Blu-ray disc. Like you, I'm just grateful when a film I love gets released.

  86. Robin9

    I wish more people had your attitude! I'm getting a bit fed-up with people sneering every time a film they don't like is released on Blu-ray disc. Like you, I'm just grateful when a film I love gets released.

    I completely agree with both of you. I have no interest in Looker, but I know others do. So should I bemoan the fact that it’s being released instead of Stage Fright or should I embrace the fact that many others are glad that Looker is coming. I embrace it for there are titles, such as The Swarm that I look forward too, while others have no interest. Thank goodness we all have different likes.

  87. I definitely have to agree with the last few posts. I may not like everything that WAC (or, for that matter, any of the other labels) releases, but I am glad for those that do like some of those releases. And quite frankly, not everything that they release should be aimed at me. I know that both last year and the year before, WAC released about 12 titles each year that appealed to me. Just on their releases alone (not to mention what all the other labels release), that's hard to keep up with! I have to rely on sales to get a bunch of them, although I do try to pay full price to support the releases I REALLY, REALLY want (mostly like musicals from the 30s-50s, although with WAC, I will try to do so if and when they get around to releasing more 30s movies as well). But again, not everything they release needs to appeal to me (and sometimes, it's nice to give my wallet some time off), so all I can say to WAC is "keep up the good work!"

  88. WB Archives doesn't bother me, no matter what they release. Because they have such a vast catalog to handle in the first place, and then add most of the MGM catalog and you have a LOT of movies. And they put out what they feel they can put out–if the elements are good and a restoration is possible. All of this takes time and money. I'm looking at my shelf as I type this and I see 28 Archives blus. Believe me, I went crazy when those titles were announced, and I'm sure I'll be pleasantly surprised again and again as time goes on. Every title they announce makes somebody go crazy in a good way–even the Colossus of Rhodes has its fans.

  89. ThadK

    I saw nothing pretentious about Nick*Z's posts at all. Criticism is not tantamount to disrespect. While I have yet to be disappointed with a single WAC Blu-Ray purchase (the DVDs are another story), it's easy to see why someone would be frustrated with the choices, schedule, and deafening silence.

    Hallelujah. Finally, someone who speaks truth for a change.

    What's the point of being an all purpose label if they only things they want to or can afford to release are B-Movie schlock? Just rename yourselves to Warner Horror and be another Scream Factory if that's the case. That was no one has to be disappointed from unmet expectations.

  90. Ken_Martinez

    Hallelujah. Finally, someone who speaks truth for a change.

    What's the point of being an all purpose label if they only things they want to or can afford to release are B-Movie schlock? Just rename yourselves to Warner Horror and be another Scream Factory if that's the case. That was no one has to be disappointed from unmet expectations.

    So I take it you won't be purchasing any of those September titles from Warner Archive?;)

  91. Ken_Martinez

    Hallelujah. Finally, someone who speaks truth for a change.

    What's the point of being an all purpose label if they only things they want to or can afford to release are B-Movie schlock? Just rename yourselves to Warner Horror and be another Scream Factory if that's the case. That was no one has to be disappointed from unmet expectations.

    You call that truth ? Its an unwanted opinion because he didnt get what he wanted,. Maybe you havent noticed some of the titles WAC has released this year.
    Is Big Wednesday B movie schlock ? Are The Fritz Lang movies Beyond a Reasonable Doubt and While the City Sleeps B movie schlock ? Is Superman the Movie B movie schlock ?
    Sorry but they release something for everyone, and some titles will be of interest to some, while not to others. That doesn't make Warner Archive a bad label. People just really need to deal that not every month will have something they want. But that's not a reason to bellyache. Save your money and wait until next month

  92. TheSteig

    Sorry but they release something for everyone, and some titles will be of interest to some, while not to others.

    I think it's more simple than even that- they release what sells and fans of cult/horror/sci-fi movies still buy discs so they cater to that audience.

  93. TheSteig

    You call that truth ? Its an unwanted opinion because he didnt get what he wanted,. Maybe you havent noticed some of the titles WAC has released this year.
    Is Big Wednesday B movie schlock ? Are The Fritz Lang movies Beyond a Reasonable Doubt and While the City Sleeps B movie schlock ? Is Superman the Movie B movie schlock ?
    Sorry but they release something for everyone, and some titles will be of interest to some, while not to others. That doesn't make Warner Archive a bad label. People just really need to deal that not every month will have something they want. But that's not a reason to bellyache. Save your money and wait until next month

    Why are you so angry? The post quoted was mine – and that I'm very happy with my WA Blu-Ray purchases but still sympathetic to those wanting more variety. Why is it that it's not OK to criticize this label, but you guys are allowed to attack anyone criticizing the label?

    Also, the Fritz Lang movies were merely BD versions of the previous DVD releases because those were HD restorations done recently enough that they could be ported over to BD – that's why they were able to happen. Still a cause for celebration, maybe, given BDs of Fury, Clash by Night, and Rancho Notorious are nowhere in sight.

    But that still doesn't change the fact that the Lang movies are still in the wrong aspect ratio on Blu-Ray.

    TravisR

    I think it's more simple than even that- they release what sells and fans of cult/horror/sci-fi movies still buy discs so they cater to that audience.

    Absolutely true. These guys will still pay the $25 for a Blu-Ray the day it goes up for pre-order. A shame a studio with one of the deepest catalogs is the most bottom-line minded.

  94. Ken_Martinez

    Hallelujah. Finally, someone who speaks truth for a change.

    What's the point of being an all purpose label if they only things they want to or can afford to release are B-Movie schlock? Just rename yourselves to Warner Horror and be another Scream Factory if that's the case. That was no one has to be disappointed from unmet expectations.

    I've recently bought Warner Archive Blu-ray discs of The Last Hunt, Village Of The Damned, Never So Few and Home From The Hill. Which of these films is "B-movie schlock?"

  95. TheSteig

    You call that truth ? Its an unwanted opinion because he didnt get what he wanted,. Maybe you havent noticed some of the titles WAC has released this year.
    Is Big Wednesday B movie schlock ? Are The Fritz Lang movies Beyond a Reasonable Doubt and While the City Sleeps B movie schlock ? Is Superman the Movie B movie schlock ?
    Sorry but they release something for everyone, and some titles will be of interest to some, while not to others. That doesn't make Warner Archive a bad label. People just really need to deal that not every month will have something they want. But that's not a reason to bellyache. Save your money and wait until next month

    It's his truth so lets leave it at that. If people want to criticize Warner or any other company like TT that's their right and opinion. I might not agree with them or have an issue with how they stated their opinion, but they shouldn't be shouted down every time they expressed such an opinion on this forum. Just a thought, but maybe, it's best for all of us to express our thoughts and opinions to counter something we don't agree with.

  96. ThadK

    Why are you so angry? The post quoted was mine – and that I'm very happy with my WA Blu-Ray purchases but still sympathetic to those wanting more variety. Why is it that it's not OK to criticize this label, but you guys are allowed to attack anyone criticizing the label?

    Also, the Fritz Lang movies were merely BD versions of the previous DVD releases because those were HD restorations done recently enough that they could be ported over to BD – that's why they were able to happen. Still a cause for celebration, maybe, given BDs of Fury, Clash by Night, and Rancho Notorious are nowhere in sight.

    But that still doesn't change the fact that the Lang movies are still in the wrong aspect ratio on Blu-Ray.

    Absolutely true. These guys will still pay the $25 for a Blu-Ray the day it goes up for pre-order. A shame a studio with one of the deepest catalogs is the most bottom-line minded.

    As I stated there is nothing wrong with criticizing any studio or label. With that said, we don't allow personal attacks on this forum and if you feel somebody was attacked then report the post and let the moderating staff handle the situation. Thank you.

  97. We will have to live with the fact that Warner recognizes "B-movie schlock" releases as a relatively sure way to make a profit or at least with moderate expenses for those movies they minmize the amount of money that they can lose with such a release.

    Then along come movies like Auntie Mame, Ride The High Country, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, The Last Hunt or Home from the Hill and I feel that this is quite competitive with what we have from other studios.

    And yes, they are sitting on a bunch of high profile and/or large format movies that they are reluctant to release or license out in MGM style but then I never really cared to have movies like Hallelujah Trail or the Greatest Story Ever Told on a Blu-ray that could be mistaken for a DVD.

  98. The horror/sci-fi/cult movies come out because they're guaranteed/proven sellers. The musicals come out because that genre is the producer's favorite. And, even then it's almost exclusively limited to widescreen. What a shame with such a vast library. It's ostensibly not an ideal situation with lots of limitations. Kind of amusing to see the apathy towards a lot of high-profile stuff remaining unavailable in high-def year after year, though. No wonder none of it is forthcoming.

  99. Wasn't the entire point of a MOD label to put out releases that wouldn't see release otherwise?

    I was just calling for honestly. If releasing the kinds of movies that would be mocked on Mystery Science theater 3000 is where the money is, rebrand as a cult label and call it a day.

  100. No one is angry here, however I think critiquing a label because they release titles that some people aren't interested in sounds more of frustration and entitlement issues, rather than criticizing. Heck I've been waiting for Criterion to release Fiend without a Face and The Devil and Daniel Webster on Blu-ray for years ..they have not, but that doesn't make them a bad label and Im not going to attack or "criticize" them because of it.
    Seems like every time there are new title announcements some folks turn into Statler and Waldorf from the Muppet Show ! 🙂

  101. Robert Crawford

    It's his truth so lets leave it at that. If people want to criticize Warner or any other company like TT that's their right and opinion. I might not agree with them or have an issue with how they stated their opinion, but they shouldn't be shouted down every time they expressed such an opinion on this forum. Just a thought, but maybe, it's best for all of us to express our thoughts and opinions to counter something we don't agree with.

    Oh Truth isnt Truth these days according to Rudy Giuliani 😀
    I also believe in dont bite the hand that feeds you. Without the labels releasing titles on Blu ray every month, we would have nothing. I appreciate and respect the labels for their efforts, and I would complain if a label released something that was of poor quality or defective.
    My biggest beef in home video for blu ray releases, if anything is the fact that Susan Hart and Wade Williams are sitting on some highly desired titles..
    And also Warner has licensed out a lot of their classics to Criterion, so it is possible that those deeper catalog titles might be with them and being restored

  102. In the end, WAC, Twilight Time, Criterion, Kino Lorber, Olive and all have annually provided us with a BD Christmas that comes more than once a year. Years ago, we would have been amazed by such an output; but I fear that we have almost forgotten.
    No doubt, there's been a few here-and-there months of announcements where I've also said "Oh Darn";
    but, at the same time, I remind myself of the many, many titles already in release that I have yet to still purchase.
    Thankfully, we have Home Theater Forum and a membership of diverse tastes to help us monitor all of the action as it unfolds.

  103. trajan007

    Only a couple of months away from 50th anniversary of STAR! and still no announcement. Sad.

    Think not of anniversaries for all existing films; but rather, of special cases such as 70mm fares. And with this 70mm film, it's a 20th Century-Fox kinda deal. Think FotoKem and all their work with those other 70mm-Fox OCN's. Think Orson Welles and Paul Masson and that famous quote of "We will serve no wine before its time". Think perfection and then all will be worth while. Even if it takes until that 51st year. Good news, trajan007; "Star!" is not in trouble like other 70mm titles such as "Around the World in 80 Days", "Raintree County", "The Alamo" and, perhaps, "Porgy and Bess". "Star!" is in good stead, along with "Ryan's Daughter". It will not be an open-heart procedure; but, rather, an operation that is less severe. Oh, by the way…this is a Warner Archive thread…and so I do not believe that "Star!" falls under their spell. But just in case, I will say to WAC that I, too, will make purchase of "Star!" as soon as it is available.

  104. ThadK

    Kind of amusing to see the apathy towards a lot of high-profile stuff remaining unavailable in high-def year after year, though. No wonder none of it is forthcoming.

    That's a very individual interpretation of what's going on. The fact that most people accept the situation for what it is does not mean they are apathetic about it. The reason many films are not forthcoming on Warner Archive Blu-ray disc has nothing to do with an absence of clamour. (How much indignant demand was expressed for the films that are released?)

  105. Ken_Martinez

    Wasn't the entire point of a MOD label to put out releases that wouldn't see release otherwise?

    I was just calling for honestly. If releasing the kinds of movies that would be mocked on Mystery Science theater 3000 is where the money is, rebrand as a cult label and call it a day.

    Your post suggests that's the only titles they release on Blu-ray which is not the case. This past week I was able to watch three good films from Warner Archive on Blu-ray. This week, I'll watch the fourth, "The Naked and the Dead".

    Home from the Hill
    The Last Hunt
    Never So Few

  106. And next month is October so just maybe we will get some horror movies from WAC, whatever hasnt been licensed to Shout Factory. I can see The Giant Behemoth, Attack of the 50. Foot Woman, maybe the Mangler…And if not, who cares.

  107. Ken_Martinez

    Wasn't the entire point of a MOD label to put out releases that wouldn't see release otherwise?

    Warner Archive DVDs are MOD discs: DVD-Rs made on demand of titles Warners believe will not sell in large quantities. Their Blu-ray discs are normal, pressed discs and are completely different from their DVD-Rs.

  108. I still have the Flipper dvd of Dr.J & M H 1931 & 1941 versions. Where is the Bluray already ? This would be a Great release for October. And the Hammer Films of course would make an Excellent Halloween 2018 !

  109. Warner has provided some beauties this year – Never So Few, Home From the Hill, Hanging Tree… Still waiting for some large format like Ryan's Daughter. Oh – what happened to Ken Russell's uncut Devils?

  110. Ronald Epstein

    RE: Prisoner of Second Avenue.

    I am positive that Warner will visit this title. First, it was released on DVD (I believe) shortly before the introduction of Blu-ray. Secondly, I sent to a request to the individual that has a say in these matters at Warner and was assured that they would be revisiting Neil Simon films. This was around the BD release of THE SUNSHINE BOYS. It's just a matter of "when."

    Some sixth sense tells me those Neil Simon films will be revisited sooner rather than later.

  111. Vic Pardo

    Some sixth sense tells me those Neil Simon films will be revisited sooner rather than later.

    Vic, when I heard Neil Simon died the other day, that was one of the initial thoughts that went through my mind. I would expect Warner will get this title out fairly soon.

    I wish Sony would get MURDER BY DEATH out on Blu-ray. Another Neil Simon gem that I am anticipating Twilight Time will eventually release.

  112. PMF

    "Star!" is not in trouble like other 70mm titles such as "Around the World in 80 Days", "Raintree County", "The Alamo" and, perhaps, "Porgy and Bess".

    Just a question here about Porgy and Bess, a personal favorite whose "voyage" I've tried to follow closely these last years. I found out that a 70mm print does exist and is in relatively good shape. I understand it played in an overseas large format festival some years ago to. Does it belong in the WB stable? Does WB own the complete rights now? If so, is that nonsense with the Gershwin heirs over at last? Just wondering.

  113. Ed Lachmann

    Just a question here about Porgy and Bess, a personal favorite whose "voyage" I've tried to follow closely these last years. I found out that a 70mm print does exist and is in relatively good shape. I understand it played in an overseas large format festival some years ago to. Does it belong in the WB stable? Does WB own the complete rights now? If so, is that nonsense with the Gershwin heirs over at last? Just wondering.

    The rights are with either the Gershwin estate or the Goldwyn estate or both. Whichever it is, they believe the movie is terrible (and, having seen it, I can concur that it's quite poorly done, though not unwatchable) and don't want it to be seen publicly again. Whether their minds can ever be changed is anybody's guess. BTW, it was originally distributed by Columbia; Warners has no involvement in it.

    Mike S.

  114. trajan007

    Only a couple of months away from 50th anniversary of STAR! and still no announcement. Sad.

    "Star!" a 20th Century Fox film is licensed to Twilight Time . Twilight Time Insider has stated on a thread that they will not release it until Fox does work on the film.

    From a post July 23, 2018

    http://cplt20official.com/co…-star-and-ryans-daughter.358242/#post-4634312

    We have said repeatedly that TT has this title under license, but that we won't release it until a new transfer is done – and as of this moment, that hasn't happened. That is why we have nothing to report.

    Now back to Warner Archive :

  115. Garysb

    "Star!" a 20th Century Fox film is licensed to Twilight Time . Twilight Time Insider has stated on a thread that they will not release it until Fox does work on the film.

    From a post July 23, 2018

    http://cplt20official.com/co…-star-and-ryans-daughter.358242/#post-4634312

    We have said repeatedly that TT has this title under license, but that we won't release it until a new transfer is done – and as of this moment, that hasn't happened. That is why we have nothing to report.

    Now back to Warner Archive :

    And the odds of a new transfer happening now that Disney bought Fox are greatly reduced. I’m still hopeful, but no longer optimistic.

  116. I just saw that Warner Archive is releasing a Blu-ray of The Last Hunt, a western I have never heard of. When Warner has so much great stuff that has not been released on Blu-ray, some of which must have elements in good shape, why release something like this? What's up with that?

  117. JoeDoakes

    I just saw that Warner Archive is releasing a Blu-ray of The Last Hunt, a western I have never heard of. When Warner has so much great stuff that has not been released on Blu-ray, some of which must have elements in good shape, why release something like this? What's up with that?

    I'm surprise you have never heard of "The Last Hunt" starring Robert Taylor, Stewart Granger and Lloyd Nolan. It's a solid western that I've seen off and on since I was a little kid back in the 1960's. As a big western genre fan, I appreciated that Warner Archive released this CinemaScope film on Blu-ray after doing so on DVD-R back in 2012. IMO, this film has one of Taylor's best acting performances as a former soldier turned buffalo hunter that loves killing with Granger as his partner that has grown tired of killing buffalo and feels remorse for doing so. The film's ending is very memorable. The film has shown on TCM several times over the years. I wish Warner would release some other Taylor westerns like "Westward the Women", "Ambush" and "Devil's Doorway". I grew up watching Taylor host "Death Valley Days" on TV.

  118. JoeDoakes

    I just saw that Warner Archive is releasing a Blu-ray of The Last Hunt, a western I have never heard of. When Warner has so much great stuff that has not been released on Blu-ray, some of which must have elements in good shape, why release something like this? What's up with that?

    Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't rate a blu ray release. Personally, I love that Warners Archives (and Twilight Time, Criterion, Kino Lorber) are offering up sleeper titles, films that may not have the cachet of the usual suspects but are worthy of being seen and discovered. Frankly, I'm more excited at hearing films like The Last Hunt and Two Weeks In Another Town are getting the blu ray treatment than I would be hearing They Died With Their Boots On or Humoresque were coming out on blu ray but hey, that's just me! 🙂

  119. JohnMor

    And the odds of a new transfer happening now that Disney bought Fox are greatly reduced. I’m still hopeful, but no longer optimistic.

    Nuh-uh, not me…I remain on the optimistic side of the scale. This is one "Star!" that's not yet fallen.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  120. ThadK

    I don't have Film Struck, so how do the HD copies of movies that are there but not on Blu-Ray rate? Are they really so subpar that they couldn't rate a BD release?

    Yes, many of them are unrestored versions of these movies. But given that some of these classics might never be restored I'd rather see them that way than not at all.

    But many of them are restored. For instance, both the 1933 version of Little Women with Katherine Hepburn and the 1949 Technicolor version with Elizabeth Taylor, etc. have been restored and look pretty good.

  121. Robert Crawford

    I'm surprise you have never heard of "The Last Hunt" starring Robert Taylor, Stewart Granger and Lloyd Nolan. It's a solid western that I've seen off and on since I was a little kid back in the 1960's. As a big western genre fan, I appreciated that Warner Archive released this CinemaScope film on Blu-ray after doing so on DVD-R back in 2012. IMO, this film has one of Taylor's best acting performances as a former soldier turned buffalo hunter that loves killing with Granger as his partner that has grown tired of killing buffalo and feels remorse for doing so. The film's ending is very memorable. The film has shown on TCM several times over the years. I wish Warner would release some other Taylor westerns like "Westward the Women", "Ambush" and "Devil's Doorway". I grew up watching Taylor host "Death Valley Days" on TV.

    Also surprised, It has played regularly on TCM since the mid 90's. This is a very good western that many of us have been waiting for on Blu Ray

  122. benbess

    Yes, many of them are unrestored versions of these movies. But given that some of these classics might never be restored I'd rather see them that way than not at all.

    But many of them are restored. For instance, both the 1933 version of Little Women with Katherine Hepburn and the 1949 Technicolor version with Elizabeth Taylor, etc. have been restored and look pretty good.

    I can certainly understand reluctance to put out dirty transfers out – the flaws are going to look pretty bad on TVs and projection systems. But it's so strange, then, that stuff that has been restored in HD isn't being dolled out on some kind of schedule. Unless Katherine Hepburn and Liz Taylor are too esoteric to warrant a Warner Archive Blu-Ray.

  123. ThadK

    I can certainly understand reluctance to put out dirty transfers out – the flaws are going to look pretty bad on TVs and projection systems. But it's so strange, then, that stuff that has been restored in HD isn't being dolled out on some kind of schedule. Unless Katherine Hepburn and Liz Taylor are too esoteric to warrant a Warner Archive Blu-Ray.

    Agree. For instance, the 1933 and 1949 versions of Little Women would make a good double feature imho. But I assume they've figured out that sales aren't likely to make something like that profitable for WBHV? If that's the case, why not hand restored titles like these off to someone with low overhead like Twilight Time that might be able to make a go of it?

  124. benbess

    Agree. For instance, the 1933 and 1949 versions of Little Women would make a good double feature imho. But I assume they've figured out that sales aren't likely to make something like that profitable for WBHV? If that's the case, why not hand restored titles like these off to someone with low overhead like Twilight Time that might be able to make a go of it?

    The Criterion titles were a special arrangement because of the Film Struck deal. Otherwise, you will never see WB titles licensed in the foreseeable future. This has been flat out said when they've been approached with serious offers.

  125. ThadK

    The Criterion titles were a special arrangement because of the Film Struck deal. Otherwise, you will never see WB titles licensed in the foreseeable future. This has been flat out said when they've been approached with serious offers.

    Then what about Shout, and the WB titles they've been releasing recently? I'll grant that they haven't exactly delved into a lot of the non-horror classics that a lot of us here would like yet, but maybe they might be heading that way (now that they have announced Universal's Blue Dahlia and Glenn Miller Story)?

  126. Yup, there was a beautifully restored transfer of Little Women (1949) on BBC over a year ago, & there's a a really nice HD transfer of Sergeant York showing on TCM UK. Oh well, I do enjoy these mid-month announcements, however odd some of the choices are.

  127. Astairefan

    Then what about Shout, and the WB titles they've been releasing recently? I'll grant that they haven't exactly delved into a lot of the non-horror classics that a lot of us here would like yet, but maybe they might be heading that way (now that they have announced Universal's Blue Dahlia and Glenn Miller Story)?

    Not totally sure. That arrangement has had "strange" written all over it.

  128. Thomas T

    Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't rate a blu ray release. Personally, I love that Warners Archives (and Twilight Time, Criterion, Kino Lorber) are offering up sleeper titles, films that may not have the cachet of the usual suspects but are worthy of being seen and discovered. Frankly, I'm more excited at hearing films like The Last Hunt and Two Weeks In Another Town are getting the blu ray treatment than I would be hearing They Died With Their Boots On or Humoresque were coming out on blu ray but hey, that's just me! 🙂

    My point wasn't that they don't "rate" a Blu-ray treatment. The more the merrier. My point was that may other films rate a Blu-ray more.

  129. JoeDoakes

    My point wasn't that they don't "rate" a Blu-ray treatment. The more the merrier. My point was that may other films rate a Blu-ray more.

    Sometimes, it's not about how much a film rates, but other factors such as budgetary and film elements condition that determines which films get released on Blu-ray before others. I know some people don't want to hear that, but studios aren't much different than other companies managing their assets within a corporate environment.

  130. Robert Crawford

    Sometimes, it's not about how much a film rates, but other factors such as budgetary and film elements condition that determines which films get released on Blu-ray before others. I know some people don't want to hear that, but studios aren't much different than other companies managing their assets within a corporate environment.

    Well, I get it, of course and you would think it would have sunk in after these many years that Warners isn't a philanthropic non profit organization funded by the National Endowment Of The Arts or the American Film Institute devoted to catering to classic film buffs and restoring classic films for our pleasure. Yet it seems we inevitably get the "why this when there's" whenever Warners releases a title that doesn't fit into the image of what a film company should be releasing. As I've said before, too many HTFers live in a glass bubble. Many were clamoring for some Roy Rogers (one of the most popular stars in the 1940s and early 1950s) on blu ray and Kino obliged them. Only the Rogers movies were poor sellers so there won't be anymore. Which is sad for those who love Rogers but perfect business sense for Kino. People seem to bring up more Betty Grable on blu ray (another big star from the 1940s) but her DVD box set tanked (and plans for vol. 2 never happened). What makes them think Grable on blu ray would do better than Grable did on DVD? I understand the frustration I really do but at this point I'm just grateful for any deep catalog title on blu ray!

  131. Thomas T

    Well, I get it, of course and you would think it would have sunk in after these many years that Warners isn't a philanthropic non profit organization funded by the National Endowment Of The Arts or the American Film Institute devoted to catering to classic film buffs and restoring classic films for our pleasure. Yet it seems we inevitably get the "why this when there's" whenever Warners releases a title that doesn't fit into the image of what a film company should be releasing. As I've said before, too many HTFers live in a glass bubble. Many were clamoring for some Roy Rogers (one of the most popular stars in the 1940s and early 1950s) on blu ray and Kino obliged them. Only the Rogers movies were poor sellers so there won't be anymore. Which is sad for those who love Rogers but perfect business sense for Kino. People seem to bring up more Betty Grable on blu ray (another big star from the 1940s) but her DVD box set tanked (and plans for vol. 2 never happened). What makes them think Grable on blu ray would do better than Grable did on DVD? I understand the frustration I really do but at this point I'm just grateful for any deep catalog title on blu ray!

    Thomas, as is often the case I agree with you. Except for one point: Betty Grable. I haven't noticed her fans demanding more of her films be released on Blu-ray disc. I think we have accepted with great sorrow that she is no longer of interest to most film enthusiasts.

  132. Robin9

    Thomas, as is often the case I agree with you. Except for one point: Betty Grable. I haven't noticed her fans demanding more of her films be released on Blu-ray disc. I think we have accepted with great sorrow that she is no longer of interest to most film enthusiasts.

    Robin and Thomas,

    Unfortunately, there's just isn't enough of us willing and able to buy these classic films on Blu-ray to entice these studios to increase their budgets because the profit margins are there to justified such expenditures. I do think there are enough fans that enjoy classic films, but not enough of us that are buying these Blu-ray titles in numbers that entices the studios to increase the number of Blu-ray releases. Too many of us are satisfied with Turner Class Movies broadcasts, DVD quality and even streaming due to several circumstances. Financial constraints is one huge issue as far as discretionary funds availability, but convenience and other issues are part of it. Not a lot of room for disc storage or people satisfied with watching old movies without the benefit of 1080p as they don't see the value in it.

  133. Thomas T

    Well, I get it, of course and you would think it would have sunk in after these many years that Warners isn't a philanthropic non profit organization funded by the National Endowment Of The Arts or the American Film Institute devoted to catering to classic film buffs and restoring classic films for our pleasure. Yet it seems we inevitably get the "why this when there's" whenever Warners releases a title that doesn't fit into the image of what a film company should be releasing. As I've said before, too many HTFers live in a glass bubble.

    Well I'm not sure about that. Of course old movies are a niche product, & science fiction/horror/cult films will always sell okay (& maybe westerns too), but releasing titles like, Hell On Frisco Bay, The Loved One, The Rounders & Beyond A Reasonable Doubt tells me that Warner aren't all that bothered about sales figures. And outside of John Wayne, Humphry Bogart & (maybe) Errol Flynn, big stars of yesterday don't count for much these days. It's just that all the time Warner sits on a large number of classic films and releases a lot of films that even some old film fans haven't even heard of, they're going to come in for some criticism, Warner should think of it as customer feedback.

  134. Billy Batson

    Well I'm not sure about that. Of course old movies are a niche product, & science fiction/horror/cult films will always sell okay (& maybe westerns too), but releasing titles like, Hell On Frisco Bay, The Loved One, The Rounders & Beyond A Reasonable Doubt tells me that Warner aren't all that bothered about sales figures. And outside of John Wayne, Humphry Bogart & (maybe) Errol Flynn, big stars of yesterday don't count for much these days. It's just that all the time Warner sits on a large number of classic films and releases a lot of films that even some old film fans haven't even heard of, they're going to come in for some criticism, Warner should think of it as customer feedback.

    I don't necessarily agree with you there. The sales figures on some titles might surprise you.

  135. Robert Crawford

    I don't necessarily agree with you there. The sales figures on some titles might surprise you.

    Oh yeah, it can only be a guesstimate on my part, but if they sold well, just think how well some of the cult/classic films would sell (Marx Brothers ect.). But again, I have no idea of sales figures.

  136. Billy Batson

    Oh yeah, it can only be a guesstimate on my part, but if they sold well, just think how well some of the cult/classic films would sell (Marx Brothers ect.). But again, I have no idea of sales figures, I'm just a fan begging…if only there was more of us.

    I agree with you there!

  137. My take on this problem.

    Over the long haul – studios have seldom suffered (over the long haul) from protecting and upgrading their assets. But many have lost by not doing so. Over time – resolution requirements will rise. Speeds of transmission will rise. More methods of delivery will be discovered. People will look for new (old) content. People will want more content. It has happened before – it will happen again. To assume that demands will stay the same is a mistake. To let the films rot away is a mistake. But we went through this with silent films (so many lost) and now we are going through it with talkies. Studios have a very short memory and tend to never invest in the long term.

  138. Billy Batson

    Oh yeah, it can only be a guesstimate on my part, but if they sold well, just think how well some of the cult/classic films would sell (Marx Brothers etc.) But again, I have no idea of sales figures, I'm just a fan begging…if only there was more of us.

    Your assumption is flawed. I bow to no man in my love of classic cinema from silents to screwball comedies to film noir etc. But I have zero interest in the Marx Brothers! I have a few on DVD but would not upgrade to blu ray as those DVDs are gathering dust on my shelves. The Marx Brothers on blu ray isn't going to make them any funnier (not to me anyway :)). Not all classic film fans are waiting for Errol Flynn, Joan Crawford (though I do have a soft spot for her post menopausal 1950s kitsch), W.C. Fields or Alice Faye on blu ray. I certainly am not. And The Green Slime, Queen Of Outer Space and The Swarm are cult films. Hey I'd love to see more Astaire & Rogers, Judy Garland and Bob Hope on blu ray but I realize the market may no longer be profitable enough to sustain an Astaire & Rogers box set or Garland's remaining musicals (Harvey Girls, The Pirate, Summer Stock etc.). My point is that even among classic film lovers, we are divided on what we like. The Marx Brothers don't interest me and I'm sure there are classic film lovers who would yawn over the announcement of an Astaire & Rogers blu ray set.

  139. I don't know if this title has been brought up in this thread or not…

    However, I am really, really surprised that OH GOD! has never been released on Blu-ray.

    That was a big title for Warner. I know we had at least one member, back in the day, that was petitioning the studio via this forum to have that title released on the format.

  140. Robert Crawford

    Robin and Thomas,

    Unfortunately, there's just isn't enough of us willing and able to buy these classic films on Blu-ray to entice these studios to increase their budgets because the profit margins are there to justified such expenditures. I do think there are enough fans that enjoy classic films, but not enough of us that are buying these Blu-ray titles in numbers that entices the studios to increase the number of Blu-ray releases. Too many of us are satisfied with Turner Class Movies broadcasts, DVD quality and even streaming due to several circumstances. Financial constraints is one huge issue as far as discretionary funds availability, but convenience and other issues are part of it. Not a lot of room for disc storage or people satisfied with watching old movies without the benefit of 1080p as they don't see the value in it.

    Yes, I agree. I know from personal experience that there are many people who still enjoy watching old films but, as you pointed out, they don't want a collection of discs and/or they don't want to spend money on them. My policy when upgrading to a Blu-ray disc, is to give the DVD to a friend. They are all pleased to have them. One couple in their eighties was delighted to receive my non-anamorphic DVD of Seven Brides For Seven Brothers.

  141. THE LAST HUNT (1956) was based on Milton Lott's novel (1954) of the same name. And from wiki:

    "The Pulitzer jury selected The Last Hunt for the 1955 fiction prize, but John Hohenberg convinced the Pulitzer board that William Faulkner was long overdue for the award, despite A Fable being a lesser work of his, and the board overrode the jury's selection, much to the disgust of its members."

    The upcoming release by Warner Archive was the incentive I needed to finally read the novel. The novel and movie only greatly divurge during their second halves. But, in the end, neither disappointed.

  142. PMF

    Trying again, tonight; but it won't be at the Providence IMAX. Too risky. Trying another city.
    After all, this is my final chance.

    Jimbo64

    ?

    Mike2001

    Wandered over from the 2001 thread?

    Mike Frezon

    :laugh:

    We can't stop Philip. Hell, it looks like we can't even contain him! 😀

    Just caught this, myself. Mike was correct; but all will have to decide which one. I am citing HAL for the misdirect.;)

  143. Probably as good a place as any

    The Summer 4 for $44 +Free Shipping sale is apparently a Labor Day sale this year — Friday through Monday (assuming Monday 11:59pm some time zone)

    http://www.wbshop.com/collections/warner-archive-4-for-44-sale

    It seems items through early June (I think Superman is still excluded) may be included though as usual some glitches getting some items to discount so may have to wait a while for them to straighten out some of the details

    Add 4 Sale items to your cart and the price should drop to $11 ea. EACH additional sale item should add at $11 so no need to buy them in batches of 4.

    2500 titles with about 120 Blurays that I can find. I can't find a way yet to filter the BD out of the sale list.

  144. Probably as good a place as any

    The Summer 4 for $44 +Free Shipping sale is apparently a Labor Day sale this year — Friday through Monday (assuming Monday 11:59pm some time zone)

    http://www.wbshop.com/collections/warner-archive-4-for-44-sale

    It seems items through early June (I think Superman is still excluded) may be included though as usual some glitches getting some items to discount so may have to wait a while for them to straighten out some of the details

    Add 4 Sale items to your cart and the price should drop to $11 ea. EACH additional sale item should add at $11 so no need to buy them in batches of 4.

    2500 titles with about 120 Blurays that I can find. I can't find a way yet to filter the BD out of the sale list.

  145. Probably as good a place as any

    The Summer 4 for $44 +Free Shipping sale is apparently a Labor Day sale this year — Friday through Monday (assuming Monday 11:59pm some time zone)

    http://www.wbshop.com/collections/warner-archive-4-for-44-sale

    It seems items through early June (I think Superman is still excluded) may be included though as usual some glitches getting some items to discount so may have to wait a while for them to straighten out some of the details

    Add 4 Sale items to your cart and the price should drop to $11 ea. EACH additional sale item should add at $11 so no need to buy them in batches of 4.

    2500 titles with about 120 Blurays that I can find. I can't find a way yet to filter the BD out of the sale list.

  146. David Norman

    Probably as good a place as any

    The Summer 4 for $44 +Free Shipping sale is apparently a Labor Day sale this year — Friday through Monday (assuming Monday 11:59pm some time zone)

    http://www.wbshop.com/collections/warner-archive-4-for-44-sale[…]

    It's an unbeatable sale, to which I am glad has become traditional.
    Although I do feel that Warner has missed a beat by not marketing a tie-in to one of their available titles. How about The Summer of 42 for $42. Hmmm, come to think of it, that doesn't quite work out to our advantage, does it? Never mind. Skip that one. And please proceed with your carts to the checkout.:)

  147. David Norman

    Probably as good a place as any

    The Summer 4 for $44 +Free Shipping sale is apparently a Labor Day sale this year — Friday through Monday (assuming Monday 11:59pm some time zone)

    http://www.wbshop.com/collections/warner-archive-4-for-44-sale[…]

    It's an unbeatable sale, to which I am glad has become traditional.
    Although I do feel that Warner has missed a beat by not marketing a tie-in to one of their available titles. How about The Summer of 42 for $42. Hmmm, come to think of it, that doesn't quite work out to our advantage, does it? Never mind. Skip that one. And please proceed with your carts to the checkout.:)

  148. I thought it might be instructive to this thread for me to look at the titles I’ve bought from WAC and see what patterns emerge.

    I have 40 films I’ve bought from the Warner Archive. There’s a handful of mainstream Hollywood films, many of which I first saw on TCM and determined were good enough to own, but most are more obscure and low-profile releases, ranging from B-westerns and documentaries to Italian westerns, Japanese animation, Japanese sci-fi and Blaxploitation. 13 have Asian subjects, topics I write about frequently on my blog. Of the 40, there were 15 I’d never seen before. The years of release range from 1930 to 1975, with the majority spread out from the 1940s to the 1960s. I’ve so far written about nine of the 40 on my blog, with plans to cover several more.

    My favorites among them include:
    GOLD IS WHERE YOU FIND IT (1938), a Technicolor drama about gold miners vs. farmers in 19th century California;
    THE UNFINISHED DANCE (1947), an MGM Technicolor dance film starring Margaret O’Brien;
    THE IRON MISTRESS (1952), a historical drama about Jim Bowie starring Alan Ladd;
    THREE STRIPES IN THE SUN (1955), an excellent fact-based drama about G.I’s in Japan during the Occupation;
    MEET ME IN LAS VEGAS (1956), an MGM musical with some amazing guest stars;
    THE SLAVE (1962), an Italian spectacle in which Steve Reeves plays the son of Spartacus;
    CAPTAIN SINDBAD (1963), a made-in-Germany fantasy extravaganza starring Guy Williams;
    FBI CODE 98 (1964), a very tidy B-thriller originally intended for TV;
    THE YAKUZA (1975), made in Japan and starring Robert Mitchum;
    and, of course, THE GREEN SLIME (1969), Kinji Fukasaku’s masterpiece about alien monsters overrunning a space station (pictured at bottom).

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  149. Vic Pardo

    I thought it might be instructive to this thread for me to look at the titles I’ve bought from WAC and see what patterns emerge.

    I have 40 films I’ve bought from the Warner Archive. There’s a handful of mainstream Hollywood films, many of which I first saw on TCM and determined were good enough to own, but most are more obscure and low-profile releases, ranging from B-westerns and documentaries to Italian westerns, Japanese animation, Japanese sci-fi and Blaxploitation. 13 have Asian subjects, topics I write about frequently on my blog. Of the 40, there were 15 I’d never seen before. The years of release range from 1930 to 1975, with the majority spread out from the 1940s to the 1960s. I’ve so far written about nine of the 40 on my blog, with plans to cover several more.

    My favorites among them include:
    GOLD IS WHERE YOU FIND IT (1938), a Technicolor drama about gold miners vs. farmers in 19th century California;
    THE UNFINISHED DANCE (1947), an MGM Technicolor dance film starring Margaret O’Brien;
    THE IRON MISTRESS (1952), a historical drama about Jim Bowie starring Alan Ladd;
    THREE STRIPES IN THE SUN (1955), an excellent fact-based drama about G.I’s in Japan during the Occupation;
    MEET ME IN LAS VEGAS (1956), an MGM musical with some amazing guest stars;
    THE SLAVE (1962), an Italian spectacle in which Steve Reeves plays the son of Spartacus;
    CAPTAIN SINDBAD (1963), a made-in-Germany fantasy extravaganza starring Guy Williams;
    FBI CODE 98 (1964), a very tidy B-thriller originally intended for TV;
    THE YAKUZA (1975), made in Japan and starring Robert Mitchum;
    and, of course, THE GREEN SLIME (1969), Kinji Fukasaku’s masterpiece about alien monsters overrunning a space station (pictured at bottom).

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    You're including DVDs, aren't you? I'm sure Meet Me In Las Vegas has not come out on Blu-ray disc.

  150. Most definitely a problem with the 4 for $44 Sale, at least at this point. I just chose five items
    from the provided list, but only one came up as $11.00. Ah well, several days to get this fixed.

  151. Robin9

    You're including DVDs, aren't you? I'm sure Meet Me In Las Vegas has not come out on Blu-ray disc.

    I just watched Meet Me in Las Vegas for the first time the other night, and I had no idea the film was littered with quite a few uncredited cameos. It certainly kept me entertained to see who would be popping up next!

  152. PODER

    Most definitely a problem with the 4 for $44 Sale, at least at this point. I just chose five items
    from the provided list, but only one came up as $11.00. Ah well, several days to get this fixed.

    Still having trouble, but WBSHOP is on the job fixing things.

    Anyway I also found different browsers are handling the sale page very differently. My Chrome is missing all the filters and isn't working, Firefox seems to be allowing various choice.

    Direct links to the BD and DVD section filtered by release date if that makes it easier for some

    DVDs
    http://www.wbshop.com/collections/…-dvd?sort_by=created-descending&collection=48

    BDs
    http://www.wbshop.com/collections/…-ray?collection=48&sort_by=created-descending

  153. David Norman

    Still having trouble, but WBSHOP is on the job fixing things.

    Anyway I also found different browsers are handling the sale page very differently. My Chrome is missing all the filters and isn't working, Firefox seems to be allowing various choice.

    Direct links to the BD and DVD section filtered by release date if that makes it easier for some

    DVDs
    http://www.wbshop.com/collections/…-dvd?sort_by=created-descending&collection=48

    BDs
    http://www.wbshop.com/collections/…-ray?collection=48&sort_by=created-descending

    Thanks. I couldn't figure out how to separate the Blu-rays. I know now!

  154. I couldn't figure it out either until a post in the Deals Thread mentioned his filters were working — it dawned on me I;ve been having trouble with WBShop for weeks and it might be a browser thing. FF cleared things up nicely. it might be time to rotate back to them after 6 months with Opera and 8 months with Chrome after a few years with FF. maybe they've got their memory and speed issues fixed.

  155. JoeDoakes

    I just saw that Warner Archive is releasing a Blu-ray of The Last Hunt, a western I have never heard of. When Warner has so much great stuff that has not been released on Blu-ray, some of which must have elements in good shape, why release something like this? What's up with that?

    You are right – strange choice – it was not a success – but maybe if the elements enable a brilliant pic and good 5.1 sound it might be credible.
    But I have given up finding reason in the releasing pattern of Warner and most – Twilight Time are releasing many Cinemascope Fox titles but not all the biggest and most accalimed titles however…3 Coins

    Billy Batson

    Well I'm not sure about that. Of course old movies are a niche product, & science fiction/horror/cult films will always sell okay (& maybe westerns too), but releasing titles like, Hell On Frisco Bay, The Loved One, The Rounders & Beyond A Reasonable Doubt tells me that Warner aren't all that bothered about sales figures. And outside of John Wayne, The Marx Brothers, Humphry Bogart & (maybe) Errol Flynn, big stars of yesterday don't count for much these days. It's just that all the time Warner sits on a large number of classic films and releases a lot of films that even some old film fans haven't even heard of, they're going to come in for some criticism, Warner should think of it as customer feedback.

    You are correct…it does not make sense…and George Feltenstein was the "keeper" of the M-G-M library with real passion but somehow his "beloved" library is now lost amongst the very old that few must really want to buy and the current wave of schlock.

  156. Robin9

    You're including DVDs, aren't you? I'm sure Meet Me In Las Vegas has not come out on Blu-ray disc.

    Only DVDs. None of those titles were Blu-ray. I'm sorry, I should have clarified that. I'll edit my post. Thank you.

  157. David Norman

    The sales titles appear to be working as intended now.

    No July or August releases, no Superman Extended, but the 2018 Jan-June titles are ringing up $11 now

    Also no Seven Brides, so apparently 2-disc editions are never going to be part of the 4 for $44 sales.

  158. Mark-P

    Also no Seven Brides, so apparently 2-disc editions are never going to be part of the 4 for $44 sales.

    Just noticed that. I thought I had checked all the 1st half 2018 titles. but there's always one outlier somewhere

  159. Robert Crawford

    That's why their sales suck!

    You can't really blame them for wanting to get a few months at full price before putting new releases on sale. I'll wait until Monday to place an order, just in case they suddenly decide to add the July or even August titles!

  160. Mark-P

    You can't really blame them for wanting to get a few months at full price before putting new releases on sale. I'll wait until Monday to place an order, just in case they suddenly decide to add the July or even August titles!

    I'm not a fan of that company that markets Warner Archive titles.

  161. Mark-P

    You can't really blame them for wanting to get a few months at full price before putting new releases on sale. I'll wait until Monday to place an order, just in case they suddenly decide to add the July or even August titles!

    I'm not a fan of that company that markets Warner Archive titles.

  162. Mark-P

    You can't really blame them for wanting to get a few months at full price before putting new releases on sale. I'll wait until Monday to place an order, just in case they suddenly decide to add the July or even August titles!

    I'm not a fan of that company that markets Warner Archive titles.

  163. I will admit I end up getting most of my WAC from the BN 40% sales. With various deals I can usually buy them lower than teh 4/44 deal esp now that WBShop is back to charging sales tax in a large number of states.

    The June sale I cleared pretty much through June. the December sale I tend to concentrate more on the TV boxset since that's about the only time you can get most of them less than less the $16-18. With seemingly more TV showing up via WAC it's very limiting when you can get a deal on them (Shameless S8, Blindpot, Young Sheldon, and Lethal Weapon now there along with Lucifer and Riverdale.
    Unfortunatly iZombie, The 100, and Originals my not be releasing BD versions at all this season.

    Occasionally BlowitOutaHere has a group on sale overlapping one of the Ebay 15% or $15 off codes which get the regular movies to around $12-13. .

    Robert Crawford

    I'm not a fan of that company that markets Warner Archive titles.

    Are you speaking of ARACA or the Bolder Road group. I never figured out if Araca bought WBSHOP or if they just absorbed BR whole. Or prefer to leave the details alone . Choice respected in any case.

  164. RICK BOND

    They should do a Vote. Ask the movie fans what would they like to see released on Bluray. The 1930's 1940's 1950's 1960's and 1970's. Fox did this a few years ago.

    U NEED TO VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET !

  165. Everett S.

    U NEED TO VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET !

    And as I understand it — released what they were going to release regardless.

    Speaking of Fox — anybody been able to get to Foxconnect in the last couple weeks? The site is down and apparently has been for a concerning length of time.

  166. Robert Crawford

    That's why their sales suck!

    Oh, I don't know. I just ordered 12 titles, four of which are blu ray. I'd been waiting on those 4 blu ray titles till the next sale. I originally had 70 titles in the cart and had to whittle it down to 12. I'll get the other 58 eventually (as well as The Last Hunt, Queen Of Outer Space, Home From The Hill etc..) … at their next couple of sales. 🙂

  167. And as for "voting" for titles "we" want to see released, voting doesn't equal purchases. Fox tried the voting bit once and never again. Why? It couldn't be because the voted on titles didn't sell, could it? I believe Cavalcade received the most votes in Fox's online poll and got a release but was the rest of the public ready for a creaky old (it probably creaked in 1933!) blu ray of Cavalcade?

  168. For the 4 for 44 sale I ordered The Wrong Man, I Confess, The Hanging Tree, and Hell on Frisco Bay. Worked fine.

    A lot of other movies I wanted to get I realize I have access to through Filmstruck right now, although I'm guessing Filmstruck has older masters for some films, including Night Moves and Gun Crazy. I looked at both those two titles today on Filmstruck and I'd call the picture quality for both of them about a "B-," but the reviews of the new blu-rays suggest a substantially higher pq for them in that format.

    Although we all want more titles from WB, the ones they do release are almost always very good to excellent in terms of pq.

  169. Thomas T

    […]The Marx Brothers don't interest me and I'm sure there are classic film lovers who would yawn over the announcement of an Astaire & Rogers blu ray set.

    In the end, I will never yawn at the output of anything that involves physical media.
    As for the titles? Well, be it yours, mine or ours, all good surprises do ultimately appear in ebbs and flows.
    And, as I've said somewhere before, if our coveted titles aren't announced on some particular month or season then I am certain that there are many back titles already released that we still have yet to purchase.

  170. Mark-P

    Also no Seven Brides, so apparently 2-disc editions are never going to be part of the 4 for $44 sales.

    Short of our own individual budgets, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers; for those interested; is more than fair at its non-sale price.
    In buying this gem, one is getting themselves a superb restoration and in exchange, we are supporting future projects.

  171. Here's another movie that deserves some restoration and a quality blu-ray release—The Pirate, the 1948 Technicolor musical starring Judy Garland and Gene Kelly, with songs by Cole Porter. Just watched it for the first time yesterday on Filmstruck, and it's still a delightfully entertaining and sometimes spectacular romp. But this 3-strip Technicolor production needs some work to be ready for its closeup on blu-ray….

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  172. benbess

    Here's another movie that deserves some restoration and a quality blu-ray release—The Pirate, the 1948 Technicolor musical starring Judy Garland and Gene Kelly, with songs by Cole Porter. Just watched it for the first time yesterday on Filmstruck, and it's still a delightfully entertaining and sometimes spectacular romp. But this 3-strip Technicolor production needs some work to be ready for its closeup on blu-ray….

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    I remember when the DVD came out. The expectation was that it would be something special. I was hugely disappointed. I'd love to see a fully restored The Pirate.

  173. Today I watched a classic from 1952 that won five Oscars and yet still isn't on blu-ray—The Bad and the Beautiful. Watched it on Filmstruck, and the pq while good would need more work to make a first-class blu-ray. Great performances all around and almost like three mini-movies in one. I'm glad that Kirk Douglas played his character as more charming than evil. Seems like it has some slight references to real people like David O. Selznick, Alfred Hitchcock, etc.

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  174. A lot of suggestions here wouldn't interest me at all, but I'd love The Bad & The Beautiful. I think Warner should have held back Two Weeks In Another Town & released the two together (that's if they have any plans at all to release it). Oh well, just three more batches to go this year (I don't think they do any in December). I'm not greedy, two or three wanted titles among them would suit me.

  175. benbess

    Today I watched a classic from 1952 that won five Oscars and yet still isn't on blu-ray—The Bad and the Beautiful.

    Billy Batson

    A lot of suggestions here wouldn't interest me at all, but I'd love The Bad & The Beautiful.[…]

    And my vote makes three.
    .

  176. What is happening at Warner Archive? While we wait for the many hundreds of quality critical and commercial successes to be given the blu ray upgrade, we have a stack of non-event films that were critically dismissed and commercially barely seen….shortly we have not one but two films rated 4.4 on imd….The Swarm and The Cyclops (the full 66 minutes of a black and white flop). How do they expect to "sell" quality releases (like the swag of MGM quality real classics – i.e. commercially and critically) when they are jumbled in with the many schlock titles? Is this what today's buying market want? Are Warner so in touch with the buying public of today?

  177. M90GM

    What is happening at Warner Archive? While we wait for the many hundreds of quality critical and commercial successes to be given the blu ray upgrade, we have a stack of non-event films that were critically dismissed and commercially barely seen….shortly we have not one but two films rated 4.4 on imd….The Swarm and The Cyclops (the full 66 minutes of a black and white flop). How do they expect to "sell" quality releases (like the swag of MGM quality real classics – i.e. commercially and critically) when they are jumbled in with the many schlock titles? Is this what today's buying market want? Are Warner so in touch with the buying public of today?

    I've moved your post to this thread that you started back in March which is the same issue you have with Warner Archive then that you have with them today. I don't agree with you, but to each his own.

  178. M90GM

    What is happening at Warner Archive? While we wait for the many hundreds of quality critical and commercial successes to be given the blu ray upgrade, we have a stack of non-event films that were critically dismissed and commercially barely seen….shortly we have not one but two films rated 4.4 on imd….The Swarm and The Cyclops (the full 66 minutes of a black and white flop). How do they expect to "sell" quality releases (like the swag of MGM quality real classics – i.e. commercially and critically) when they are jumbled in with the many schlock titles? Is this what today's buying market want? Are Warner so in touch with the buying public of today?

    Your point has been made more times than I can count, and has been explained more times than I can count. I suggest you just read back through threads like this. You will find all the explanations you need.

  179. WAC's quality in picture and sound is well worth the wait; whatever our desired titles may be. And their prices can't be beat. Therefore, it only stands to reason that WAC would also have their fingers on the marketing pulse, as well. No doubt, we're a classy, tasteful and particular breed at HTF; and so it comes as no surprise that some of their releases might be considered as schlock to some. Imagine what that counter-audience thought when we, ourselves, were treated to "Father of the Bride", "Brigadoon", "Battleground", "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers", "Far From the Madding Crowd", "The Boy Friend", "Finian's Rainbow", "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?", "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof", "Yankee Doodle Dandy", "The Ballad of Cable Hogue", "Victor/Victoria", "S.O.B.", "The Sunshine Boys", "The Goodbye Girl", "Love in the Afternoon", "Silk Stockings", "Spencer's Mountain", "The Unsinkable Molly Brown", "The Wrong Man" and "I Confess". While we say "schlock" to theirs, I bet they're saying "Old School" to ours. I know its hard to imagine, but there are actually people out there who couldn't give a hoot about Bogie and Bacall; so try to further imagine the horror from their side of the coin when we were treated to all four of the Bogie and Bacall films. One right after the other; month after month. And to make matters even worse, WAC saw to it that we got treated to both versions of "The Big Sleep", as well. Such audacity, indeed.

    In other words, I feel that everyone's getting their quota; just not quite as fast, though, as our instantaneous imaginations may wish. I, myself, have given up on "Ryan's Daughter"; but never have I given up on WAC.

    With WAC, patience gains us quality; and one can not argue that they've produced both visual and audible excellence across the boards.

  180. PMF

    WAC's quality in picture and sound is worth the wait; whatever our desired titles may be. And their prices can't be beat.
    Therefore, it only stands to reason that WAC would also have their fingers on the marketing pulse, as well.
    We're a classy, tasteful and particular breed at HTF;
    and so it comes as no surprise that some of their releases might be considered as schlock to some.
    Imagine what that counter-audience thinks when we, ourselves, are treated to "Father of the Bride", "Brigadoon", "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers", "Battleground", "The Boy Friend", "Finian's Rainbow", "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?", "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof", "Key Largo", "The Big Sleep", "To Have and Have Not", "Victor/Victoria", "S.O.B.", "The Sunshine Boys", "The Goodbye Girl", "Love in the Afternoon", "Silk Stockings" and "Spenser's Mountain".
    In other words, everyone's getting their quota; just not as fast, though, as our instantaneous imaginations may wish.
    With WAC, one can not argue their visual and audible excellence.

    WAC basically cater for everyone and some releases to some people might seem crazy and not everyone wants The Big Sleep or at the other end of the scale a Brigadoon so a movie like Queen of Outer Space might be at the top of someone else's : Wants List. You never can tell .

  181. commander richardson

    WAC basically cater for everyone and some releases to some people might seem crazy and not everyone wants The Big Sleep or at the other end of the scale a Brigadoon so a movie like Queen of Outer Space might be at the top of someone else's : Wants List. You never can tell .

    Exactly.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  182. There should be another batch next week, I'll forgo 30s, 40s & 50s wants for a change, & ask for a few 60s, 70s & 80s (please).

    The Hill (1965) The one b/w film here.
    She (1965) Hammer
    There Was A Crooked Man (1970)
    Start The Revolution Without Me (1970)
    The Last of Sheila (1973)
    My Favourite Year (1982)

  183. How about the promise of letting people from Canada and other countries order directly from them some day? Somehow our public library gets them. I usually order when Amazon.com gets them. Once I ordered, to my sister in Chicago, had her re-package and send it on to where I live near Toronto.

  184. M90GM

    What is happening at Warner Archive? While we wait for the many hundreds of quality critical and commercial successes to be given the blu ray upgrade, we have a stack of non-event films that were critically dismissed and commercially barely seen….shortly we have not one but two films rated 4.4 on imd….The Swarm and The Cyclops (the full 66 minutes of a black and white flop). How do they expect to "sell" quality releases (like the swag of MGM quality real classics – i.e. commercially and critically) when they are jumbled in with the many schlock titles? Is this what today's buying market want? Are Warner so in touch with the buying public of today?

    But, just for the record (and for this now re-located post), please list your 10 top desired.

  185. PMF

    WAC's quality in picture and sound is well worth the wait; whatever our desired titles may be. And their prices can't be beat. Therefore, it only stands to reason that WAC would also have their fingers on the marketing pulse, as well. No doubt, we're a classy, tasteful and particular breed at HTF; and so it comes as no surprise that some of their releases might be considered as schlock to some. Imagine what that counter-audience thought when we, ourselves, were treated to "Father of the Bride", "Brigadoon", "Battleground", "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers", "Far From the Madding Crowd", "The Boy Friend", "Finian's Rainbow", "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?", "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof", "Yankee Doodle Dandy", "The Ballad of Cable Hogue", "Victor/Victoria", "S.O.B.", "The Sunshine Boys", "The Goodbye Girl", "Love in the Afternoon", "Silk Stockings", "Spencer's Mountain", "The Unsinkable Molly Brown", "The Wrong Man" and "I Confess". While we say "schlock" to theirs, I bet they're saying "Old School" to ours. I know its hard to imagine, but there are actually people out there who couldn't give a hoot about Bogie and Bacall; so try to further imagine the horror from their side of the coin when we were treated to all four of the Bogie and Bacall films. One right after the other; month after month. And to make matters even worse, WAC saw to it that we got treated to both versions of "The Big Sleep", as well. Such audacity, indeed.

    In other words, I feel that everyone's getting their quota; just not quite as fast, though, as our instantaneous imaginations may wish. I, myself, have given up on "Ryan's Daughter"; but never have I given up on WAC.

    With WAC, patience gains us quality; and one can not argue that they've produced both visual and audible excellence across the boards.

    Of course you are correct – they have given us many obvious big 2nd tier releases and the quality has been consistently brilliant. The schlock releases dont make sense given my communications with George at WA who is clearly passionate about his "old boss' films" (Turner / MGM).
    Most of the replies to my repetitive posts (as schlock builds) seem to miss the point I make …the level of blu ray releases is falling lower than ever as clearly shown with this week's announcement of The Cyclops. Just a 66 minute b/w film that went nowhere and had one of the all time lowest imd ratings of 4.4…….I'm like a dog at a bone I know but yes it seems the modern audience for great old films is almost non existent …in my business we look at the options of what the consumer our customer might want. Warner have to be given a bravery award for spending the money to upgrade a film like The Cyclops hoping for a modern day audience given the reality of the product.

    I think I need to lie low and get on with my business and stop relieving my movie collecting frustration.

  186. M90GM

    Of course you are correct – they have given us many obvious big 2nd tier releases and the quality has been consistently brilliant. The schlock releases dont make sense given my communications with George at WA who is clearly passionate about his "old boss' films" (Turner / MGM).
    Most of the replies to my repetitive posts (as schlock builds) seem to miss the point I make …the level of blu ray releases is falling lower than ever as clearly shown with this week's announcement of The Cyclops. Just a 66 minute b/w film that went nowhere and had one of the all time lowest imd ratings of 44…I'm like a dog at a bone I know but yes it seems the modern audience for great old films is almost non existent …in my business we look at the options of what the consumer our customer might want. Warner have to be given a bravery award for spending the money to upgrade a film like The Cyclops hoping for a modern day audience given the reality of the product.

    I think I need to lie low and get on with my business and stop relieving my movie collecting frustration.

    Still, you have not listed your own Top 10 most desired BD's that may be in the WAC library. Perhaps, by listing such titles, the HTF membership may also contribute their comments; in the hopes that your choices are further read as not just the wishes of a single voice.

    As RAH once wrote in my thread and campaign for the BD release of "Ryan's Daughter", "WB is, and has been, fully aware". And their being aware is all that we can ask; as I am certain this fully expands to the titles and wish-lists of all others.
    As time has passed, I looked at the larger picture; being WAC, Twilight Time, Criterion and whomever; as you can bank on many things:

    A) The enormity of any given library is immense, as are the demands being placed, as well.
    B) These are not pizza orders-to-go; and excellent work is painstaking.
    C) They have their reasons for each and every release; even though we may not know why.
    D) All groups are in business; so believe that they are being competitive and plan to stay in business, too.
    E) Every title transferred to BD will have its newer issues and criterias, unlike those presented in the DVD format.
    F) Our BD collections are light years ahead of what we ever could have dreamt from over a decade, ago.

    These 6 aforementioned points, of course, are only from a lay-persons perspective. I am not an insider nor a financial nor technical whiz-kid. These are all nothing more than summations coming hopefully from a common-logic mind.

    As it is, I could easily cite a good many dozen or more desires, myself;
    but, as of late, I have taken great stock in the riches we've amassed.

    In the final analysis, it comes down to two things:
    Either have patience, or just accept the idea that our personally desired titles ain't never gonna see the light of day. I, myself, would opt for the latter; as there is less frustration involved – and any surprises to the contrary will be all the more exciting, if it happens.

    FILE UNDER: "Dr. Strangelove…or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the DVD".

  187. TJPC

    How about the promise of letting people from Canada and other countries order directly from them some day? Somehow our public library gets them. I usually order when Amazon.com gets them. Once I ordered, to my sister in Chicago, had her re-package and send it on to where I live near Toronto.

    Try ordering from TCM.com. It's worked well for me in far-flung Vancouver. They have frequent sales, too.

  188. I Third the recommendation of 'The Last of Sheila'. Not so much for picture quality, which is pretty good on DVD, but in the hope that something can be done to improve audibiiity of the awful muffled soundtrack which sounds like it was recorded in a swamp.

  189. Im always happy to share my own wishlist.. Id love Blu-ray releases from WAC or WHV whichever really..
    The Giant Behemoth
    Mark of the Vampire
    The Last Dinosaur
    The Thing from Another World
    Attack of the 50 ft Woman
    The Damned Dont Cry
    Eight Legged Freaks
    Captain Sindbad
    The ENTIRE Thin Man series
    The first four Tarzan Johnny Weissmuller movies
    High Sierra
    Side Street
    They Drive by Night
    Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde 1932
    Dr. X
    The Mask of Fu Manchu
    Now Voyager
    Mr. Skeffington
    In this Our Life
    Strange Cargo
    Sadie Mckee
    The Late Show
    The First Deadly Sin
    The Bermuda Depths
    The Lady in the Lake
    Clash by Night
    One Way Passage
    Daddys Gone A Hunting
    Across to Singapore
    Red Headed Woman and other Forbidden Hollywood fruits
    The Charlie Chan movies w/ WB

    Okay the majority of my WAC DVDs
    There's a mouthful !

  190. Now that Kino Lorber Insider just announced the release of Bend of the River (1952) and also hinted that both Winchester 73 (1950) and The Far Country (1954) may be not far behind (the former possibly from Criterion), wouldn't it be great if Warner Archive announced The Naked Spur (1953) so as to finally get all of the Mann/Stewart westerns on blu-ray? I know the available elements required some proper restoration, let's hope they're working on it…now, THAT would certainly be a quality release to look forward to!

  191. TheSteig

    Im always happy to share my own wishlist.. Id love Blu-ray releases from WAC or WHV whichever really..
    Daddys Gone A Hunting

    I have to wonder how many of us remember this really well-done thriller from 1969? It never got past the DVD stage, but well deserves to. It was directed by the wonderful Mark Robson, and has an amazingly tense climax. This was released by National General. Does Warner Bros. own all of its library?

  192. TheSteig

    Im not 100% sure, but I do own Daddys Done a Hunting on DVD from WAC 🙂
    You never know, maybe it will wind up on Blu-ray for their October slate ?

    I think the Halloween titles for 2018 have pretty much all been announced, seeing as how we're only 6 weeks out. There's always 2019, for those of us still around.

  193. TheSteig

    Im always happy to share my own wishlist.. Id love Blu-ray releases from WAC or WHV whichever really..
    The Giant Behemoth
    Mark of the Vampire
    The Last Dinosaur
    The Thing from Another World
    Attack of the 50 ft Woman
    The Damned Dont Cry
    Eight Legged Freaks
    Captain Sindbad
    The ENTIRE Thin Man series
    The first four Tarzan Johnny Weissmuller movies
    High Sierra
    Side Street
    They Drive by Night
    Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde 1932
    Dr. X
    The Mask of Fu Manchu
    Now Voyager
    Mr. Skeffington
    In this Our Life
    Strange Cargo
    Sadie Mckee
    The Late Show
    The First Deadly Sin
    The Bermuda Depths
    The Lady in the Lake
    Clash by Night
    One Way Passage
    Daddys Gone A Hunting
    Across to Singapore
    Red Headed Woman and other Forbidden Hollywood fruits
    The Charlie Chan movies w/ WB

    Okay the majority of my WAC DVDs
    There's a mouthful !

    From your wish-list of 31 titles, my top 5 votes would be:

    High Sierra
    Now Voyager
    Mr. Skeffington
    Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1932)
    and the ENTIRE Thin Man series.:cool:

  194. Captain Blood, Charge of the Light Brigade, The Sea Hawk, The Master of Ballantrae, The Warriors, High Sierra, They Drive by Night, Across the Pacific, Action in the North Atlantic, Black Legion, The Roaring Twenties, Each Dawn I Die, G Men, City for Conquest, Bullets or Ballots. A few from MY Wishlist. : )

  195. Matt Hough

    How come there aren't more people asking for Friendly Persuasion on Blu-ray from Warner Archive?

    I watched the DVD of it tonight, and it's such a lovely film with wonderful performances, a tender, funny, and heartwarming story, and superb William Wyler direction. The DVD transfer certainly needs work with debris and dirt and some damage, but it's not too far gone, and the color isn't terrible.

    It's on my 'want' list, too – I'd buy it for sure.

  196. I don't automatically upgrade every DVD that I have. I therefore have a fairly limited number of titles which I'd upgrade if they were released on Blu-ray.

    Ryan’s Daughter
    Around the World in 80 Days
    Cheyenne Autumn
    Gaslight (‘44)
    Ivanhoe
    Knights of the Round Table (with Scope and flat versions)
    Land of the Pharaohs
    The Letter
    Operation Crossbow
    Young Bess (inc. widescreen version which apparently was re-composed for w/s, not just cropped top and bottom).

  197. RICK BOND

    Four months left in 2018. The Hammer Films ? Gangster 30's & 40's ? MGM & WB 50's Adventure, Epics ??? : ( ?? No Errol Flynn again this year ??? : (

    But Rick, what does the ending of the year have to do with anything?
    It's not as if there's any deadline or expiration date concerning any specific title.
    Releases and announcements will continue in January and thereafter.

  198. bujaki

    Friendly Persuasion gets my vote for Best Film 1956. I believe it won in Cannes.

    It was the best film that got a Best PIcture AA nomination that year, but in my opinion, it is still second to "The Searchers" as the best film in 1956, even without any AA nominations in any category.

  199. PMF

    But, just for the record (and for this now re-located post), please list your 10 top desired.

    RAINTREE COUNTY
    HIGH SOCIETY
    RYAN'S DAUGHTER
    IVANHOE
    QUENTIN DURWARD
    RELUCTANT DEBUTANTE
    SAN FRANCISCO
    MAYTIME
    INTERRUPTED MELODY
    AND
    SOMETHING OF VALUE, SOMEBODY UP THERE LIKES ME, BLACKBOARD JUNGLE, STUDENT PRINCE, ROSE MARIE, KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE, GASLIGHT, RANDOM HARVEST, BOOM TOWN, BLOSSOMS IN THE DUST, CAMILLE, CAPTAIN'S COURAGEOUS, VALLEY OF DECISION, A MAN IS TEN FEET TALL, BHOWANI JUNCTION, CIMARRON 1960, MILLION DOLLAR MERMAID, LONG LONG TRAILER, NEPTUNE'S DAUGHTER, ESCAPE FROM FORT BRAVO, THE YEARLING…..greedy?

  200. I want Fred and Ginger (all of them) for Christmas. Plus Judy Garland in For Me and My Gal, and The Harvey Girls. Errol Flynn in Captain Blood and The Sea Hawk (should be a double BD) and of course all those long-promised versions of Show Boat. Just how long ago now was it that Warners promised us Show Boat? Must be a decade ago at least!

  201. Dick

    I think the Halloween titles for 2018 have pretty much all been announced, seeing as how we're only 6 weeks out. There's always 2019, for those of us still around.

    Im not sure, but they just announced their September lineup, so next week I would think they will announced their October slate..Remember WAC tends to announce a month ahead 🙂

  202. AnthonyClarke

    I want Fred and Ginger (all of them) for Christmas. Plus Judy Garland in For Me and My Gal, and The Harvey Girls. Errol Flynn in Captain Blood and The Sea Hawk (should be a double BD) and of course all those long-promised versions of Show Boat. Just how long ago now was it that Warners promised us Show Boat? Must be a decade ago at least!

    and to my list above – your titles too especially For Me and My Gal & Harvey Girls in stereo hopefully.

  203. Robert Crawford

    It was the best film that got a Best PIcture AA nomination that year, but in my opinion, it is still second to "The Searchers" as the best film in 1956, even without any AA nominations in any category.

    I agree with you. I meant Friendly Persuasion is my choice of BP among all the 1956 nominees. The Searchers remains one of my favorite movies. I saw it several times when it came out (far too young to appreciate the ambiguities of the story); and the last time I saw it on the big screen was in a gorgeous 35mm IB Technicolor print the day before my first born greeted us in 1976 (my very dear wife attended as well).

  204. AnthonyClarke

    I want Fred and Ginger (all of them) for Christmas. Plus Judy Garland in For Me and My Gal, and The Harvey Girls. Errol Flynn in Captain Blood and The Sea Hawk (should be a double BD) and of course all those long-promised versions of Show Boat. Just how long ago now was it that Warners promised us Show Boat? Must be a decade ago at least!

    As much as I agree with you on all those titles, especially the Astaire and Rogers movies, I do have to ask: what would make you think that would even happen, that all 10 of those movies would be out that quickly? Shout has already announced their December releases, Criterion doesn't have them (at least, not all of them, since the five WAC re-releases are still available as of this morning) and therefore couldn't release all of them, and for WAC to do it, they would essentially have to be ALL their releases on blu for the rest of the year. I could see one or two happening, but not all 10, and certainly NOT all in the same year. I know everybody says that WAC is doing right by their musicals, and I partly agree: they are giving us QUALITY releases, but the QUANTITY is falling off. So far this year, we have had two WAC musicals (I'm not counting Meet Me In St. Louis since that is a re-release). Last year, we had about four, if I'm not missing any (Bells Are Ringing, The Boyfriend, Finian's Rainbow and Brigadoon), and the previous year about five (Victor/ Victoria, Unsinkable Molly Brown, Silk Stockings, Love Me Or Leave Me and It's Always Fair Weather). While the year before that was about three from WAC, it was offset by the fact that WHV was still releasing catalog titles, and released six new-to-blu titles. My point here being that Warner is releasing FEWER musicals per year as time is going on. I certainly hope/expect they will announce one more this year through WAC, but I doubt there will be another (unless Criterion announces either the '36 Showboat or a Showboat collection, depending upon what they have licensed for December). And besides, I wouldn't want all of the Astaire-Rogers movies released all at once, anyways. For me, they would ALL be worth full price (heck, if Criterion released them individually, they'd be worth full price on Criterion's site to me. I exaggerate a little, but you get what I mean), but even if just through WAC, I couldn't even begin to afford them all at once, but I would be happy if SOMEBODY would start releasing them.

  205. Robert Crawford

    It was the best film that got a Best PIcture AA nomination that year, but in my opinion, it is still second to "The Searchers" as the best film in 1956, even without any AA nominations in any category.

    Without a doubt, "The Searchers" was sorely overlooked; and certainly for its cinematography.
    As it is, I'm wondering if there's more picture/sound information to be elicited through an updated transfer?
    And if so, would "The Searchers" be a viable candidate for a 4K/UHD, as well?

  206. PMF

    Without a doubt, "The Searchers" was sorely overlooked; and certainly for its cinematography.
    As it is, I'm wondering if there's furhter picture/sound information to be elicited through an updated transfer?
    And if so, would "The Searchers" be a viable candidate for a 4K/UHD, as well?

    I think you'll find that a lot of people believe that an updated ( i.e. new) transfer might produce colors more in line with Mr. Ford's and Mr. Hoch's intentions.

  207. PMF

    Without a doubt, "The Searchers" was sorely overlooked; and certainly for its cinematography.
    As it is, I'm wondering if there's furhter picture/sound information to be elicited through an updated transfer?
    And if so, would "The Searchers" be a viable candidate for a 4K/UHD, as well?

    I would love to see "The Searchers" on 4K/UHD. It's my favorite film of all-time.

  208. Having just scrolled through all fourteen pages on this subject, I was stunned to find there were only a small
    handful of posts relating to the many silent classics which Warner seems to have put in some forgotten room.
    My understanding is that a number of these have been restored, have good musical soundtracks and only
    need to be transferred. So why can we not see even a couple a year? Please?

  209. PODER

    Having just scrolled through all fourteen pages on this subject, I was stunned to find there were only a small
    handful of posts relating to the many silent classics which Warner seems to have put in some forgotten room.
    My understanding is that a number of these have been restored, have good musical soundtracks and only
    need to be transferred. So why can we not see even a couple a year? Please?

    The first part of your post might be the answer to the second.

    PS. I'd buy them too.

  210. WAC should be announcing titles next week. Im still thinking there will be a few horror titles, Bad Ronald should be one as they announced it at the SDCC..
    Between Criterion and potentially WAC next week, it should be fun times for many 🙂

  211. TheSteig

    WAC should be announcing titles next week. Im still thinking there will be a few horror titles, Bad Ronald should be one as they announced it at the SDCC..
    Between Criterion and potentially WAC next week, it should be fun times for many 🙂

    In the past they have always released their Halloween titles in September so I think The Cyclops, Queen of Outer Space and the Swarm may have been their Halloween blu ray titles. We might see one more in October but I wouldn't expect a lot.

  212. Robert Crawford

    I would love to see "The Searchers" on 4K/UHD. It's my favorite film of all-time.

    A VistaVision film, and while they are prepping that could they also prep my favourite film – North by Northwest (another VV).

  213. PODER

    Having just scrolled through all fourteen pages on this subject, I was stunned to find there were only a small
    handful of posts relating to the many silent classics which Warner seems to have put in some forgotten room.
    My understanding is that a number of these have been restored, have good musical soundtracks and only
    need to be transferred. So why can we not see even a couple a year? Please?

    I'm always going on about this, especially after a screening of The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse some years ago where Kevin Brownlow did the intro. He lamented that WB owned these but had no interest in putting them out. Yes, Horsemen, The Wind, The Crowd, The Student Prince and Greed have already been restored and with gorgeous scores already prepared. Maybe none of these would make WB a fortune but, unlike Kino, MoC/Eureka, Cohen. Lobster Films or Flicker Alley (and once in awhile Criterion), they don't really give a damn about film history or cultural significance. Seems the little guys are left to carry the weight of our historical heritage too heavy for the colossus. Guess it was always this way.

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