Waterworld (new 4K restoration)- coming from Arrow 12/11/2018

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The most expensive film ever made at the time of its release, Waterworld has thrilled audiences through the years with its awe-inspiring action scenes, gargantuan maritime sets and ground-breaking special effects.

A definitive post-apocalypse blockbuster, Waterworld stars Kevin Costner (The Untouchables) as The Mariner – a mutant trader, adrift in a dystopian future where Earth is submerged under water and humankind struggles to survive on boats and in ramshackle floating cities. The Mariner becomes embroiled with the Smokers, a gang of pirates who, led by villainous leader Deacon (Dennis Hopper, Blue Velvet), are seeking Enola (Tina Majorino, Napoleon Dynamite), a girl with a map to the mythical realm of “Dryland” tattooed on her back.

Famous for both its epic scale and the controversy that swirled around its production, Waterworld is a key cult film of the 1990s, and an essential entry into the subgenre of ecologically-minded blockbusters. Presented here in an exclusive new restoration, in three different cuts, and with a wealth of extra material, this high-water mark of high-concept Hollywood can now be enjoyed as never before.

TWO-DISC LIMITED EDITION CONTENTS

• New restoration from a 4K scan of the original negative by Arrow Films, presenting the film in three cuts

• Original 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio and 2.0 stereo audio options

• Optional English subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing

• Six collector’s postcards

• Double-sided fold-out poster

• Limited edition 60-page perfect-bound book featuring new writing on the film by David J. Moore and Daniel Griffith, archival articles and original reviews

• Reversible sleeve featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Paul Shipper

DISC ONE – THE THEATRICAL CUT

• High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) presentation of the original theatrical cut

• Maelstrom: The Odyssey of Waterworld, an all-new, feature-length making-of documentary including extensive cast and crew interviews and behind the scenes footage

• Original archival featurette capturing the film’s production

• Global Warnings, film critic Glenn Kenny explores the subgenre of ecologically aware Hollywood blockbusters

• Production and promotional stills gallery

• Visual effects stills gallery

• Original trailers and TV spots

DISC TWO – THE EXTENDED CUTS [LIMTED EDITION EXCLUSIVE]

• High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) presentation of the extended US TV cut, which runs over 40 minutes longer than the theatrical cut

• High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) presentation of the extended European “Ulysses” cut, which includes censored shots and dialogue

Release date 12/11/2018

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  1. "The most expensive film ever made at the time of its release, Waterworld has thrilled audiences through the years with its awe-inspiring action scenes, gargantuan maritime sets and ground-breaking special effects."

    I love how only 1/2 of this sentence is true.

  2. I have not watched this film in many years, I have had no great desire to revisit it although I did pick up a dirt cheap HD-DVD copy when the last format war ended. (Still have the HD-DVD player stacked under my Blu-ray player, but rarely use it)

    I am not (very) embarrassed to admit though that one of my guilty pleasures is Costner's other post-apocalyptic epic "The Postman"; a schmaltzy tale of a man with no moral center who unwittingly becomes a hero and the catalyst for the rebuilding of society.
    I get a special kick out of the appearance of the late, great Tom Petty as a man who used to be famous – "I was once… sorta. Kinda. Not anymore" and the web of lies spun by the Postman including the "fact" that the U.S. government has moved into the (now non-existent) Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome in my hometown of Mpls.

    I may give Waterworld a fresh view on my old "red" disc one of these days, but it's doubtful I will drop any $ on this new release despite the inclusion of the extended cuts.

  3. battlebeast

    “Blockbuster”? “Block-failure.”

    Maybe, but thanks to overseas and video revenue, this film did make a tiny profit.

    Anyhow it is about time we got a deluxe edition with a new extended edit in addition to the theatrical and TV cuts. Looking forward to it!

    Remember, it was Costner himself who recut the film against the will of director Kevin Reynolds, so what we are gonna see in this new blu ray is the cinema equivalent of David (Reynolds) vs. Goliath (Costner).

  4. dpippel

    Man, they're finally releasing a brand new 4K restoration of Waterworld!!! I can't wait! (said no one ever).

    You are incorrect on your parenthetical comment. I do quite like Waterworld in all of it's glorious disaster and would love to see the extended TV cuts in glorious presentations. I'm quite aware of why people dislike the movie (and The Postman), but I dislike quite a few of their favorite movies as well and would never suggest or make fun of not releasing a better version (Audio Video) or more complete version of those films. I never understood the allure of Rocky or Christopher Reeve's Superman, but was quite happy for those latter folks when Warner Archive released the long desired TV cut.

  5. Yeah, let's cool it as it's only a movie. I always thought this film was harshly received and consider it a better film than many have said about it. An entertaining film to me. I just wish this was released on 4K/UHD disc as those ocean scenes would be beautiful in HDR.

  6. Tino

    By the way this film earned $264 million worldwide in 1995

    That’s $437 million in today’s dollars.

    Vs a $289 million adjusted budget.

    Isn't that "adjusted" budget the production number only? I think I read somewhere that it was more like $235 million (actual) once marketing and distribution costs were factored in.

  7. Enough with the "restoration" for heaven's sake. Waterworld doesn't need a restoration – it needs other things like a good story and characters, but a restoration? Just because they're doing a 4K transfer of something doesn't mean they're restoring it. That word has simply lost all meaning.

  8. dpippel

    Isn't that "adjusted" budget the production number only? I think I read somewhere that it was more like $235 million (actual) once marketing and distribution costs were factored in.

    Look, no matter how you slice it the film was a BOMB. It lost money. They can tell you whatever figure you like (very easy to lie about overseas grosses and they do it all the time when a film tanks here) – you have left off P&A – when that is added in, using the simple box-office formula, even if the numbers were correct it still lost money. And it never made what they're saying so it REALLY lost money.

  9. dpippel

    Isn't that "adjusted" budget the production number only? I think I read somewhere that it was more like $235 million (actual) once marketing and distribution costs were factored in.

    I went off the $175 million production budget in 1995.

    So back then probably 2x it’s production budget would have it break even.

    So $350 million 1995 dollars was the break even number. It made $264 million.

  10. Worth

    I love how they boast how profitable films are right up until the point that someone with points wants their cut – then nothing has ever made any money.

    Exactly! They do this all the time, this retro lying – the investors and shareholders and profit participants know the real story.

  11. Tino

    I went off the $175 million production budget in 1995.

    So back then probably 2x it’s production budget would have it break even.

    So $350 million 1995 dollars was the break even number. It made $264 million.

    I don't believe it made anywhere near that figure, BUT – even if it did it seems to have lost $90 million. I'd say that was a rather substantial bomb. But I think it's much worse than that.

  12. atfree

    [​IMG]

    Description
    The most expensive film ever made at the time of its release, Waterworld has thrilled audiences through the years with its awe-inspiring action scenes, gargantuan maritime sets and ground-breaking special effects.

    A definitive post-apocalypse blockbuster, Waterworld stars Kevin Costner (The Untouchables) as The Mariner – a mutant trader, adrift in a dystopian future where Earth is submerged under water and humankind struggles to survive on boats and in ramshackle floating cities. The Mariner becomes embroiled with the Smokers, a gang of pirates who, led by villainous leader Deacon (Dennis Hopper, Blue Velvet), are seeking Enola (Tina Majorino, Napoleon Dynamite), a girl with a map to the mythical realm of “Dryland” tattooed on her back.

    Famous for both its epic scale and the controversy that swirled around its production, Waterworld is a key cult film of the 1990s, and an essential entry into the subgenre of ecologically-minded blockbusters. Presented here in an exclusive new restoration, in three different cuts, and with a wealth of extra material, this high-water mark of high-concept Hollywood can now be enjoyed as never before.

    TWO-DISC LIMITED EDITION CONTENTS

    • New restoration from a 4K scan of the original negative by Arrow Films, presenting the film in three cuts

    • Original 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio and 2.0 stereo audio options

    • Optional English subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing

    • Six collector’s postcards

    • Double-sided fold-out poster

    • Limited edition 60-page perfect-bound book featuring new writing on the film by David J. Moore and Daniel Griffith, archival articles and original reviews

    • Reversible sleeve featuring original and newly commissioned artwork by Paul Shipper

    DISC ONE – THE THEATRICAL CUT

    • High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) presentation of the original theatrical cut

    • Maelstrom: The Odyssey of Waterworld, an all-new, feature-length making-of documentary including extensive cast and crew interviews and behind the scenes footage

    • Original archival featurette capturing the film’s production

    • Global Warnings, film critic Glenn Kenny explores the subgenre of ecologically aware Hollywood blockbusters

    • Production and promotional stills gallery

    • Visual effects stills gallery

    • Original trailers and TV spots

    DISC TWO – THE EXTENDED CUTS [LIMTED EDITION EXCLUSIVE]

    • High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) presentation of the extended US TV cut, which runs over 40 minutes longer than the theatrical cut

    • High Definition Blu-ray (1080p) presentation of the extended European “Ulysses” cut, which includes censored shots and dialogue

    Release date 12/11/2018

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  13. skylark68

    I actually liked this film okay. I liked the Postman better, the cameo of Tom Petty was pretty cool. Hopefully we will see that one coming out on the foot tails of this one.

    What? Before the extended "Dances"? Now that's the Kostner for a UHD release.

  14. deepscan

    Maybe, but thanks to overseas and video revenue, this film did make a tiny profit.

    Anyhow it is about time we got a deluxe edition with a new extended edit in addition to the theatrical and TV cuts. Looking forward to it!

    Remember, it was Costner himself who recut the film against the will of director Kevin Reynolds, so what we are gonna see in this new blu ray is the cinema equivalent of David (Reynolds) vs. Goliath (Costner).

    Wait, Costner Cut the director's version to his own version?

  15. I'm relatively indifferent about the movie itself but am tempted to get this just for the retrospective documentary: I have a soft spot for candid interviews and documentaries about notoriously troubled productions.

  16. MatthewA

    This wasn't even the biggest bomb of 1995 set in or on the water; that would be Cutthroat Island.

    At least people remember Waterworld. Albeit mostly for the wrong reasons but Cutthroat Island has been largely forgotten.

  17. This thread serves as an obvious reminder that there isn't a bad movie that exists that isn't loved by someone somewhere or a great movie that isn't disliked (I've come across a lot of Citizen Kane haters). Not a judgment, just an observation.

  18. Thomas T

    This thread serves as an obvious reminder that there isn't a bad movie that exists that isn't loved by someone somewhere or a great movie that isn't disliked (I've come across a lot of Citizen Kane haters). Not a judgment, just an observation.

    Its Star Trek The Motion Picture all over again… >_>

  19. Let us not forget that weather or not someone chooses to give any particular film a home in there library doesn't mean someone else can not see what others do not see in any particular movie. I have this movie on HD-DVD and it was a movie I picked up on DVD but I think back then I got it because my wife at the time liked the movie. I am not against adding this title in 4K but it is not high up on my list and other titles will get purchased before this title unless I find it really cheap. That being said it is not a bad movie and there are some places I find that are good and I also find the story line itself to be good. Is it a great movie IMHO, not really but movies are subjective and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One mans pig with lipstick is another mans masterpiece.

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  20. My family rented this movie back when it first came to VHS. I hardly remember anything other than thinking it was boring. I was 9 or 10, so maybe I wasn't the right age to enjoy it. Considering the cult following it has acquired I may have to watch it again, if only to see if I like it as an adult. If I like it I may be interested in picking up this release.

  21. BobO’Link

    I own copies of both. I'd watch Waterworld any day over Citizen Kane. I've seen Citizen Kane once and hope to never watch it again. I keep the copy in case any of my grandkids ever want to watch it. I firmly believe everyone should form their own opinion of movies and I keep mine to myself where they're concerned if I don't like a particular movie only giving my opinion after they've seen a movie.

    Only on the HTF there will be a discussion about Waterworld and Citizen Kane in the same thread.:D

  22. BobO’Link

    I own copies of both. I'd watch Waterworld any day over Citizen Kane. I've seen Citizen Kane once and hope to never watch it again. I keep the copy in case any of my grandkids ever want to watch it. I firmly believe everyone should form their own opinion of movies and I keep mine to myself where they're concerned if I don't like a particular movie only giving my opinion after they've seen a movie.

    Wowie, Howie.

  23. BobO’Link

    I own copies of both. I'd watch Waterworld any day over Citizen Kane. I've seen Citizen Kane once and hope to never watch it again. I keep the copy in case any of my grandkids ever want to watch it. I firmly believe everyone should form their own opinion of movies and I keep mine to myself where they're concerned if I don't like a particular movie only giving my opinion after they've seen a movie.

    There are a lot of cinematic sacred cows I intensely dislike but I won't name them here as not to detract from the Waterworld discussion. Personally, while I think Citizen Kane is a cinematic masterpiece, I'm more likely to watch Touch Of Evil or The Magnificent Ambersons if I'm in a Wellesian mood.

  24. Lord Dalek

    "The most expensive film ever made at the time of its release, Waterworld has thrilled audiences through the years with its awe-inspiring action scenes, gargantuan maritime sets and ground-breaking special effects."

    I love how only 1/2 of this sentence is true.

    Yeah, I would hardly say 'thrilled' is an accurate descriptor of what the movie did in 1995. I don't hate it. But its hardly memorable. Arrow's claim of a 'restoration' is odd – very!

  25. Now that you mentioned it, I remember even more how the hype and controversy around this movie coincided with the publicity over sale of Universal from Matsushita (who bought its old parent company MCA, who had owned it since the 1960s) to Seagram's.

    Unfortunately, the idea that a recent film (i.e. one made in the last 30 years) would need to be restored or could be lost isn't too farfetched. At least this has a studio to call home who's willing to foot the bill (or at least part of it) for a multi-cut Blu-Ray (see, Disney, that wasn't so hard).

  26. I still own the bare-bones Universal theatrical-cut BD as well as the 2-disc Extended Cut DVD set that came out in late 2008, but my "go-to" version for a long time now has been my burned DVD-R of the fanmade "Ulysses Cut." And now it is a fan-cut no longer. I'm still practically in tears as I type this. OK, maybe not. But this is amazing news. Never dreamed in a million years that Universal would actually authorize this.

  27. Josh Steinberg

    As someone unfamiliar with the Ulysses Cut (or even the extended version), can you offer a quick description of its merits? I have to admit I’m more curious about this release than I thought I’d be.

    Basically, the Ulysses Cut takes the Extended TV Cut and re-inserts all of the censored stuff that ABC trimmed out due to Standards and Practices (like showing Costner peeing from the theatrical version), including nudity, profanity, etc., plus other theatrical-version stuff snipped for pacing (like the Deacon shooting the "Naaaaaaaaahhhhhhwwwwwww!!!"-dude following the atoll-attack).

    Consider it an "ultimate edition" of Waterworld, similar to the Spicediver re-edit of Dune (which…holy crap…could now also theoretically get officially released by Universal or Arrow, if this disc somehow opens the door wide for that kind of thing).

  28. atfree

    • Maelstrom: The Odyssey of Waterworld, an all-new, feature-length making-of documentary including extensive cast and crew interviews and behind the scenes footage

    This has the potential to put "Wreckage and Rage: Making Alien 3" to shame. 😮

    I'll probably buy this. It took a fine editing job to condense an overlong movie down to the theatrical cut which ends up being a half decent action adventure flick.

    Killer soundtrack by James Newton Howard, though the legend is the first soundtrack was rejected and JNH was brought in at the 11th hour.

  29. Saw it at the movies. Liked it enough.

    Bought it on dvd then Bluray.
    Had no idea there was a long cut put on dvd or I would have boiught that too.

    The only thing that is a problem with this set that I see is that now its unlikely there
    will be a 4K disc released. which I would also buy.

    I have photos somewhere of the Trimaran (sp) of when it was kept in the lake at UniversaL Olando.

  30. diverdave

    This has the potential to put "Wreckage and Rage: Making Alien 3" to shame. 😮

    I'll probably buy this. It took a fine editing job to condense an overlong movie down to the theatrical cut which ends up being a half decent action adventure flick.

    Killer soundtrack by James Newton Howard, though the legend is the first soundtrack was rejected and JNH was brought in at the 11th hour.

    Yup — Mark Isham was the original composer, but the filmmakers weren't down with what he was turning out, so he got the boot and James Newton Howard was brought in to replace him (and did a fine job, IMHO).

  31. I like this film well enough (although I could do without Dennis Hopper's idiotic, over-the-top character), but one would think after all this time that a commentary track could be included that would detail the conflicts between actor/producer Costner and director Reynolds.

  32. Dick

    I like this film well enough (although I could do without Dennis Hopper's idiotic, over-the-top character), but one would think after all this time that a commentary track could be included that would detail the conflicts between actor/producer Costner and director Reynolds.

    To me, it's Hopper's over-the-top performance that helped makes this film fun for me.

  33. The movie has always had an atmosphere and subtle appeal to me. I recall watching the original BD when it was released and that was a while ago. I wouldn't mind revisiting this and seeing the extended for the first time…especially with a new transfer.

  34. Nick*Z

    […]Arrow's claim of a 'restoration' is odd – very!

    Josh Steinberg

    Criterion does this too – everything Criterion puts out is a “restoration” even if it’s a five year old movie that was shot digitally.

    Robert Harris

    They are the Enemies of the People!

    These days, its doubtful if the marketers at Arrow and Criterion even knows the differences between an ibid, Ibsen or ISBN.

  35. joshEH

    Yup — Mark Isham was the original composer, but the filmmakers weren't down with what he was turning out, so he got the boot and James Newton Howard was brought in to replace him (and did a fine job, IMHO).

    It's ironic that two of my favorite film soundtracks are from composers who were brought in at the last minute to replace a rejected score.

    One is James Newton Howard for Waterworld (although I love just about any JNH soundtrack), and the other is Patrick Williams for Used Cars. Of course the Twilight Time release for Used Cars is nice as you can hear the original Ernest Gold soundtrack.

    The JNH soundtrack for Waterworld is perfect for the action adventure movie that it was edited into. :razz:opcorn:

  36. LeeBob

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    I am not (very) embarrassed to admit though that one of my guilty pleasures is Costner's other post-apocalyptic epic "The Postman";

    Don't be. I agree, it's a solid post-apocalyptic flick. And, IMHO, miles better than WATERWORLD.

  37. Robert Crawford

    During one of our HTF Meets I remembered some of us going to the Waterworld exhibit at Universal Studios.

    So, do you mean they are still playing that at Universal Studio? Took my daughter in 1998 (I think) and enjoyed the tour and the Waterworld show tremendously.

    And to be clear, saw the film when it came out, wasn't too too happy with the usual slam-bang ending, but absolutely loved the first hour or so, when we're just establishing the world and the characters. Intriguing that the Ulysses Cut originated as a fan thing. Does this mean that there's hope we will see a release of Heaven's Gate: The Butcher's Cut?

  38. theonemacduff

    So, do you mean they are still playing that at Universal Studio? Took my daughter in 1998 (I think) and enjoyed the tour and the Waterworld show tremendously.

    And to be clear, saw the film when it came out, wasn't too too happy with the usual slam-bang ending, but absolutely loved the first hour or so, when we're just establishing the world and the characters. Intriguing that the Ulysses Cut originated as a fan thing. Does this mean that there's hope we will see a release of Heaven's Gate: The Butcher's Cut?

    No, that HTF Meet was almost 20 years ago.

  39. Uh-oh. Seem to remember Arrow releasing The Apartment at the same time last year at the same price. Pre-order price suddenly drops by under half on Amazon.com. Suddenly release gets delayed a week – or was it two? Suddenly Amazon.com "sold out" (how could 6000 copies of The Apartment possibly have sold out!) and cancelled orders. Arrow closes their office for the holidays and go home. Queue 20 pages of thread with furious HTF members panicking, conspiracy theories, gnashing teeth and hair-tearing. Arrow came under heavy fire for not having somebody on point responding why they had allowed this debacle to occur over the holidays and that it reflected really terribly on them and their views toward their customers. Amazon.com was no help at all. Took a month before peace and decorum returned. Can't wait to see what happens this time round…

  40. titch

    Uh-oh. Seem to remember Arrow releasing The Apartment at the same time last year at the same price. Pre-order price suddenly drops by under half on Amazon.com. Suddenly release gets delayed a week – or was it two? Suddenly Amazon.com "sold out" (how could 6000 copies of The Apartment possibly have sold out!) and cancelled orders. Arrow closes their office for the holidays and go home. Queue 20 pages of thread with furious HTF members panicking, conspiracy theories, gnashing teeth and hair-tearing. Arrow came under heavy fire for not having somebody on point responding why they had allowed this debacle to occur over the holidays and that it reflected really terribly on them and their views toward their customers. Amazon.com was no help at all. Took a month before peace and decorum returned. Can't wait to see what happens this time round…

    I never did get the Arrow release of The Apartment. My order is one of those cancelled by Amazon, and I wasn't going to pay a higher price for the disc. I'm still waiting for another Arrow single disc release for a lower price (like they did recently with Donnie Darko).

  41. WATERWORLD is probably best described as a “cult” film (a category that really needs a dedicated forum here). It’s one of those movies that tends to polarize people. You either love or you hate it, there’s not much in-between.

  42. Tom St Jones

    WATERWORLD is probably best described as a "cult" film (a category that really needs a dedicated forum here). It's one of those movies that tends to polarize people. You either love or you hate it, there's not much in-between.

    I'm not so sure about that as I like the film, but don't love it. With that said, I never understood the hatred for it either.

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